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Posted: Sep 5, 2020 - 8:04pm

 haresfur wrote:

And as Eisenhower warned about.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
 
Everyone and I mean everyone of whom I have ever seen use this citation always stops there and ignores what comes immediately after the last word above.  And it is an even more dire warning than that of the MIC.  It warns us of what we are presently in the end game of now.  I've posted it several times over the years here.  Always greeted with crickets.  Probably no different now, either.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.



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Posted: Aug 21, 2020 - 2:32pm

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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 3:58pm

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Posted: Jul 21, 2020 - 8:09am



 R_P wrote:
"The team hasn’t yet decided on a new mascot but says it will include the military in its new name."
 Apparently 'Red Tails' is in the running. Not bad...
c.


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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 6:43pm



 R_P wrote:
"The team hasn’t yet decided on a new mascot but says it will include the military in its new name."
 
The Washington Paramilitary?

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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 6:15pm

"The team hasn’t yet decided on a new mascot but says it will include the military in its new name."
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Posted: Jul 15, 2020 - 2:54pm



 R_P wrote:
Let’s Defund the Pentagon, Too
We must begin moving beyond militarism, as Martin Luther King urged more than 50 years ago
 

And as Eisenhower warned about.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

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Posted: Jul 15, 2020 - 1:11pm



 R_P wrote:
Let’s Defund the Pentagon, Too
We must begin moving beyond militarism, as Martin Luther King urged more than 50 years ago
 

hear, hear
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Posted: Jul 15, 2020 - 12:52pm

Let’s Defund the Pentagon, Too
We must begin moving beyond militarism, as Martin Luther King urged more than 50 years ago
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Posted: Jun 14, 2020 - 11:30am

George Floyd’s Murder May Finally End the Army’s Fealty to Defeated Confederate Traitors
The men for whom the Army bases were named were passionate advocates of a slavocracy and often incompetent military leaders.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 11:39am

West Point Prof Pens Blistering Takedown of U.S. Military Academies
There's a reason, Tim Bakken says, why the U.S. hasn't won a war in 75 years.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2020 - 2:37pm



No bolshevic, socialits leftism intended... because the military matters: One and Two
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Posted: Feb 2, 2020 - 12:30am

Oh noes
Bernie Sanders Leads Trump, All 2020 Candidates in Donations From Active-Duty Troops
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Posted: Nov 9, 2019 - 6:20pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
.....

If an entire country is converted to this kind of regime your option to opt out is gone, at least without fleeing the country. Assuming they'll let you out.
 

OK.  Guess I have not been to those rich western countries yet.  I did not know that people could not resign from the military in western countries.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2019 - 6:19pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 
OFFS?   What the hell does that mean?


 

Allow me to introduce you to the internet.
 

LOL!   Guess I did not spend enough time searching and clicking.
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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 6:07pm

westslope wrote:
Lazy8, I reckon the author implicitly covered the ability to resign from the military and being left alone by referring to the democratic socialism model.    Unless you know of  social democracies that prevent you from resigning from the military?   If you, please name them.  

Or do you prefer see the world in polarized ideological terms?

No, not covered at all.

Once enough of your neighbors vote for chains you get chains. Whoopie, it was democratic, so shut up and wait in line for your rations.

The military (now that the draft is—at least for now—gone) is a bit of a tradeoff: you put up with rigid regimentation and the forfeiting of every imaginable freedom (up to and including your life) in exchange for a paternalistic system that takes care of you. At least as it defines "care". But you can opt out and resume a life you are in control of.

If an entire country is converted to this kind of regime your option to opt out is gone, at least without fleeing the country. Assuming they'll let you out.
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Posted: Nov 7, 2019 - 4:11pm



 westslope wrote:


 
OFFS?   What the hell does that mean?


 

Allow me to introduce you to the internet.
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