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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:51pm

 R_P wrote:

So tell us, Unkle Kurt, how many arrests for illegal possession and/or use of illegal substances did this perilous "civil obedience" of yours result in?
 
I knew this one was coming.  Civil disobedience does not require getting arrested to be real.  Acknowledging and accepting the risk of arrest and real hard time for engagement in an activity is sufficient.  It is accepting that the lies put forth by the government to justify an unjust and immoral law is grounds for defying it, be it either peacefully privately or peacefully publicly, the intent is the same.  It is the intent that defines the act.

Life is much different when you have real skin in the game.  Few if any of you are even old enough to have had skin in the game.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:23pm

 A resistance fighter in the War on Drugs wrote:

I walked the talk all these years so you lightweights can now party with little if any risk to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.


So tell us, Unkle Kurt, how many arrests for illegal possession and/or use of illegal substances did this perilous "civil obedience" of yours result in?

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 9:10pm

What I find most disturbing is that of those currently participating in this discussion that I am the only one that has a problem with someone who is legally allowed to argue and defend the letter of the law and is not in compliance with the very laws they claim to defend and uphold.  How can this be, at all ?

It is the job of an attorney to use and operate within the justice system legally.  The person that this discussion centers on has not been properly processed and gone through the proper channels of the system he is charged with upholding, defending and using.  That the system is not working fast enough for some is a separate issue.  No excuse to invalidate the system which allowing this person to practice law in spite of his legal condition does.

And supporting this and claiming justice is preserved is some real serious hypocrisy.

And then to equate this with a whole different scenario simply for the purpose of brow beating someone is petty and demeaning.  But that is how you all roll here.

For the smart asses who claim to know what civil disobedience is, consider use of cannibus 50 years ago and the laws were very, very different along with the other risks involved then.  How many of you would use it now if those same laws were in force now ?  Probably none of ya.  I walked the talk all these years so you lightweights can now party with little if any risk to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

So fuck off, to whomever it may concern ...
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 8:30pm

 haresfur wrote:
If someone smokes marijuana in the woods and no one notices, is it still a protest?

People who engage in civil obedience tend to accept the consequences of their protest. The treetop flyer tries to avoid consequences.

Fake civil disobedience.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 8:20pm

 kurtster wrote:
civ·il dis·o·be·di·ence
/ˈsivil ˈˌdisəˈbēdēəns/
 
 
noun
 
  1. the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest.


If someone smokes marijuana in the woods and no one notices, is it still a protest?

And why won't you let your customers know about your protest so they can make their own decision on whether to give you their business?
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 7:52pm

civ·il dis·o·be·di·ence
/ˈsivil ˈˌdisəˈbēdēəns/
 
 
noun
 
  1. the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 6:35pm

 kurtster wrote:

I am engaging in civil disobedience as a citizen of the United States.  You are advocating for overthrowing our government by supporting an invasion of our country, which by your own admission you hate more than anything else, other than your own miserable life. 

How do you get out of bed in the morning living in a place that you despise so much and makes your very being miserable ?


Privately ignoring the law for your own pleasure isn't civil disobedience. Putting up a sign at your work saying, "You should be aware that the person poking around your eyes believes that his marijuana use doesn't impact his job performance. If you disagree, you may want to take your business elsewhere." Don't they have a right to know?
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 6:00pm

 kurtster wrote:

And your life is still miserable.


So sez you; which means exactly nothing.

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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 5:56pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

You giant hypocrite. 
 
And your life is still miserable.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 5:09pm

 kurtster wrote:

I am engaging in civil disobedience as a citizen of the United States.  You are advocating for overthrowing our government by supporting an invasion of our country, which by your own admission you hate more than anything else, other than your own miserable life. 

How do you get out of bed in the morning living in a place that you despise so much and makes your very being miserable ?


You giant hypocrite. 
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:49pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

As do you.  Pretty simple.  Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing.


You admit to violating the law you hold in great reverence. Pardon me if your protests about those trying to enter our country to make a better life for themselves ring, well, hollow. You giant hypocrite.
 
I am engaging in civil disobedience as a citizen of the United States.  You are advocating for overthrowing our government by supporting an invasion of our country, which by your own admission you hate more than anything else, other than your own miserable life. 

How do you get out of bed in the morning living in a place that you despise so much and makes your very being miserable ?
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:37pm

 kurtster wrote:

As do you.  Pretty simple.  Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing.


You admit to violating the law you hold in great reverence. Pardon me if your protests about those trying to enter our country to make a better life for themselves ring, well, hollow. You giant hypocrite.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 4:28pm

 islander wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
 


Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. 
 
As do you.  Pretty simple.  Just been doing it longer than you have been breathing.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:26pm

A regular model citizen...
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:23pm

 R_P wrote:




Yeah. Drive the speed limit; you'll find out how many "law-abiding" citizens there are.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:07pm

 R_P wrote:



kurtster wrote:

You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country. I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.


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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:02pm

 islander wrote:
Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 


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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:50pm

 islander wrote:


Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 


oh, burn... of course, he'll prevaricate.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:48pm

 kurtster wrote:


Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 1, 2021 - 8:17pm

 islander wrote:

You need to get a refund on that info packet you bought about me, it's got a lot of errors. 

I'll give you that I was just looking at a generic medical license, if they don't ask the right questions for your particular flavor then so be it. But EVERY professional license I've ever seen has a clause about Moral Turpitude, or Moral standing of some kind. I see that as an odd thing with you abstaining for your test, but going right back to the activity that they are testing for for your prescriptions/medical insurance/assistance program (pick the appropriate one, I think you've mentioned a couple of groups you have to plan for testing).   I do find it relevant as you were complaining in the other thread that the individuals earlier illegal activity should prevent him from having a license until he gets through all the proper adjudication of his circumstance.   And yet you have a professional license and have to plan around testing intervals so you don't get caught in your illegal activities. So the lawyer in question is working through the proper channels and is prevented from getting a license, and you hold a license even though you appear to be gaming the system and avoiding accountability for your actions (however justified they may be). 

For someone so concerned about illegal immigration, your flouting of drug laws and restrictions is incongruous. 
 
Looks like you've been at sea too long, Ahab.  While you may be judge, jury and executioner while at sea, we do have different standards on shore.  Your understanding and interpretation of Moral Turpitude is way out of line with reality.  This sat long enough for you to double check your understanding of this concept so I guess that it falls on to me to bring you up to reality, if that is possible.

Here is a short list of what Moral Turpitude is not :

People also ask

 What crimes are not crimes of moral turpitude?


For someone so concerned about illegal immigration, your flouting of drug laws and restrictions is incongruous. 

 
A) I do not openly indulge nor flout it. 

B)  If anything, I would consider it civil disobedience, should I be flouting it publicly.  Which I do not.

C) If you want to be Captain and consider entering the country illegally to be on equal footing with the personal use of cannibus, then I cannot discuss this on these terms.  We see it differently.  Much differently as you consider using cannibus to be a crime of moral turpitude based upon your argument above.  Based upon your own admission of using it, you have admitted committing a crime of moral turpitude.  You need to walk off of your own plank.  As you take your last step, think about how using cannibus is worse than entering the country illegally, based upon the argument you have presented above.

Obviously, I am your white whale.  Your pursuit of me over my posts trying to prove me wrong about everything I say is proof enough   I have rented space in your head for free.

Ahoy !! Thar you blow !
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