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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:07pm

 R_P wrote:



kurtster wrote:

You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country. I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.


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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 3:02pm

 islander wrote:
Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 


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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:50pm

 islander wrote:


Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 


oh, burn... of course, he'll prevaricate.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2021 - 2:48pm

 kurtster wrote:


Tell yourself whatever lies it takes to get through your day. But the reality is you engage in an activity that is illegal. If caught, you would likely loose your professional license (what this conversation is about, not any judgement of marijuana or related policy). I brought this up because of how butt hurt you were about another individuals professional license status while awaiting his citizenship that was hung up in bureaucracy. Your attempts to distract from your hypocrisy are just par for the course. 
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Posted: Oct 1, 2021 - 8:17pm

 islander wrote:

You need to get a refund on that info packet you bought about me, it's got a lot of errors. 

I'll give you that I was just looking at a generic medical license, if they don't ask the right questions for your particular flavor then so be it. But EVERY professional license I've ever seen has a clause about Moral Turpitude, or Moral standing of some kind. I see that as an odd thing with you abstaining for your test, but going right back to the activity that they are testing for for your prescriptions/medical insurance/assistance program (pick the appropriate one, I think you've mentioned a couple of groups you have to plan for testing).   I do find it relevant as you were complaining in the other thread that the individuals earlier illegal activity should prevent him from having a license until he gets through all the proper adjudication of his circumstance.   And yet you have a professional license and have to plan around testing intervals so you don't get caught in your illegal activities. So the lawyer in question is working through the proper channels and is prevented from getting a license, and you hold a license even though you appear to be gaming the system and avoiding accountability for your actions (however justified they may be). 

For someone so concerned about illegal immigration, your flouting of drug laws and restrictions is incongruous. 
 
Looks like you've been at sea too long, Ahab.  While you may be judge, jury and executioner while at sea, we do have different standards on shore.  Your understanding and interpretation of Moral Turpitude is way out of line with reality.  This sat long enough for you to double check your understanding of this concept so I guess that it falls on to me to bring you up to reality, if that is possible.

Here is a short list of what Moral Turpitude is not :

People also ask

 What crimes are not crimes of moral turpitude?


For someone so concerned about illegal immigration, your flouting of drug laws and restrictions is incongruous. 

 
A) I do not openly indulge nor flout it. 

B)  If anything, I would consider it civil disobedience, should I be flouting it publicly.  Which I do not.

C) If you want to be Captain and consider entering the country illegally to be on equal footing with the personal use of cannibus, then I cannot discuss this on these terms.  We see it differently.  Much differently as you consider using cannibus to be a crime of moral turpitude based upon your argument above.  Based upon your own admission of using it, you have admitted committing a crime of moral turpitude.  You need to walk off of your own plank.  As you take your last step, think about how using cannibus is worse than entering the country illegally, based upon the argument you have presented above.

Obviously, I am your white whale.  Your pursuit of me over my posts trying to prove me wrong about everything I say is proof enough   I have rented space in your head for free.

Ahoy !! Thar you blow !
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Posted: Sep 26, 2021 - 7:29pm

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I answered truthfully as those questions only ask if there have been any convictions. And for the last time, I am not a physician, nor have I ever said that. You are the only one who has said that. I find it bizarre that with you being the son of an MD cannot get that straight.

And as you state, you respected your contractual obligations, which I totally respect. In my case, I have adjusted my life to stay away from any random testing scenario. People can say anything they want about cannibus, but it is still illegal under federal law and one strike you are out for all kind's things such as a livelihood, permanently. Not worth the risk. I can abstain long enough to pass a scheduled test. If you can't, then maybe you do have a problem with it. But that is a separate issue, right ? No, not really because addiction is not a valid pretense for a test, as in it's for your own good in the end ...

I've been lied to by the government about it since the 50's looking back and been aware of the lies since the 60's. And have watched how the lies have been implemented purely for oppression ever since then. The same tactics are widely used for other political purposes as well.

As an aside, I am old enough to have taken LSD when it was still legal. The story of that drug and the government all by itself should prevent anyone from ever trusting the .gov about anything, ever.



You need to get a refund on that info packet you bought about me, it's got a lot of errors. 

I'll give you that I was just looking at a generic medical license, if they don't ask the right questions for your particular flavor then so be it. But EVERY professional license I've ever seen has a clause about Moral Turpitude, or Moral standing of some kind. I see that as an odd thing with you abstaining for your test, but going right back to the activity that they are testing for for your prescriptions/medical insurance/assistance program (pick the appropriate one, I think you've mentioned a couple of groups you have to plan for testing).   I do find it relevant as you were complaining in the other thread that the individuals earlier illegal activity should prevent him from having a license until he gets through all the proper adjudication of his circumstance.   And yet you have a professional license and have to plan around testing intervals so you don't get caught in your illegal activities. So the lawyer in question is working through the proper channels and is prevented from getting a license, and you hold a license even though you appear to be gaming the system and avoiding accountability for your actions (however justified they may be). 

For someone so concerned about illegal immigration, your flouting of drug laws and restrictions is incongruous. 


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Posted: Sep 26, 2021 - 9:04am

 islander wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

I did check with my board.  They do accept Rx's for it.

But then again, this is apples and oranges.  In the other thread a law license was being discussed in the context of the law.  Someone who did re enter the country illegally was being given a license to practice law.  To be an officer of the court.  It just does not compute.  That he got tied up in red tape is irrelevant.

And if you are indeed the long term closet smoker yourself as you claim, you too have broken many laws and rules.

Don't throw rocks in glass houses ...


I never claimed to be a long term smoker. I've smoked in the past, but quit long ago. The consequences were never worth it to my circumstances in the last several decades. I did say it would be foolish to out yourself on a public forum, but YMMV.  I've recently dabbled in the recreational stuff available here, but only since I don't have contractual obligations that preclude it and corporate masters to answer to. 

So, you have an Rx?  And given that you've had a license for longer than medical use has been allowed (and you've said that you have been smoking for 40+ years),  How did you answer the question regarding your use of illegal use of controlled substances on the physicians license application?

Personally, I don't really care what you do. But since you feel it's important to uphold the legitimacy of professional licenses and all.. It does seem hypocritical to argue over red tape in one circumstance, but gloss over falsifying an application in another.  
 
I answered truthfully as those questions only ask if there have been any convictions.  And for the last time, I am not a physician, nor have I ever said that.  You are the only one who has said that.  I find it bizarre that with you being the son of an MD cannot get that straight.

And as you state, you respected your contractual obligations, which I totally respect.  In my case, I have adjusted my life to stay away from any random testing scenario.  People can say anything they want about cannibus, but it is still illegal under federal law and one strike you are out for all kind's things such as a livelihood, permanently.  Not worth the risk.  I can abstain long enough to pass a scheduled test.  If you can't, then maybe you do have a problem with it.  But that is a separate issue, right ?  No, not really because addiction is not a valid pretense for a test, as in it's for your own good in the end ...

I've been lied to by the government about it since the 50's looking back and been aware of the lies since the 60's.  And have watched how the lies have been implemented purely for oppression ever since then.  The same tactics are widely used for other political purposes as well.

As an aside, I am old enough to have taken LSD when it was still legal.  The story of that drug and the government all by itself should prevent anyone from ever trusting the .gov about anything, ever.
islander

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Posted: Sep 25, 2021 - 10:56pm

 kurtster wrote:

I did check with my board.  They do accept Rx's for it.

But then again, this is apples and oranges.  In the other thread a law license was being discussed in the context of the law.  Someone who did re enter the country illegally was being given a license to practice law.  To be an officer of the court.  It just does not compute.  That he got tied up in red tape is irrelevant.

And if you are indeed the long term closet smoker yourself as you claim, you too have broken many laws and rules.

Don't throw rocks in glass houses ...


I never claimed to be a long term smoker. I've smoked in the past, but quit long ago. The consequences were never worth it to my circumstances in the last several decades. I did say it would be foolish to out yourself on a public forum, but YMMV.  I've recently dabbled in the recreational stuff available here, but only since I don't have contractual obligations that preclude it and corporate masters to answer to. 

So, you have an Rx?  And given that you've had a license for longer than medical use has been allowed (and you've said that you have been smoking for 40+ years),  How did you answer the question regarding your use of illegal use of controlled substances on the physicians license application?

Personally, I don't really care what you do. But since you feel it's important to uphold the legitimacy of professional licenses and all.. It does seem hypocritical to argue over red tape in one circumstance, but gloss over falsifying an application in another.  
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Posted: Sep 25, 2021 - 9:50pm

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Bunch of caveats on that legal bit there. How does that work with your professional license you were all up about in the California thread?
 
I did check with my board.  They do accept Rx's for it.

But then again, this is apples and oranges.  In the other thread a law license was being discussed in the context of the law.  Someone who did re enter the country illegally was being given a license to practice law.  To be an officer of the court.  It just does not compute.  That he got tied up in red tape is irrelevant.

And if you are indeed the long term closet smoker yourself as you claim, you too have broken many laws and rules.

Don't throw rocks in glass houses ...
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Posted: Sep 25, 2021 - 6:38pm

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yea, 56 years here this past summer.  Yep, it is just awful.  Still trying to figure out what all the buzz is about.

And the retching and what not from just smoking it ? ... never, ever.   Flipping light weights.

That said, it is not for everyone, just like the other legal socially acceptable drug, alcohol, is not for everyone.
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Bunch of caveats on that legal bit there. How does that work with your professional license you were all up about in the California thread?
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Posted: Sep 24, 2021 - 5:10pm

 westslope wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:

Yea I have been smoking regularly for over 43 years and I hate it.  It is just awful.

Been smoking on and off for 51 years here.   

Sure, cannabis can have lots of negative impacts but folks who throw up and retch after smoking?   Never once encountered that.
 
yea, 56 years here this past summer.  Yep, it is just awful.  Still trying to figure out what all the buzz is about.

And the retching and what not from just smoking it ? ... never, ever.   Flipping light weights.

That said, it is not for everyone, just like the other legal socially acceptable drug, alcohol, is not for everyone.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2021 - 4:29pm

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Yea I have been smoking regularly for over 43 years and I hate it.  It is just awful.

Been smoking on and off for 51 years here.   

Sure, cannabis can have lots of negative impacts but folks who throw up and retch after smoking?   Never once encountered that.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2021 - 4:06pm

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Smoking pot doesn't do well to anyone. At 15, I was the first in my school class. Two years later, most all of my classmates did it. Talking the mid, late-70s here. On the way, many had to puke and fight uneasiness, when smoking their first time, and they were told by the more experienced, not to continue, nor try making it a habit.

I still think that some people just aren't gonna be 'happy' with it, as I still come across people saying, it doesn't do them well or always makes them want to throw up.

 
Yea I have been smoking regularly for over 43 years and I hate it.  It is just awful.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2021 - 4:04pm

 westslope wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:


I'm guessing it's related to overuse.

Probably.    Then I have known lots of heavy tokers who smoke from the time they roll out of bed.  Especially those who experienced nasty industrial accidents that left them with chronic pain.   

I wonder if some of the young victims are swallowing the smoke.  
 
I think it is probably because marijuana is a new drug so we are learning about these new side effects as we go along. {#Ask}{#Snooty}{#Stupid}{#Bounce}smh
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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 8:37am

Smoking pot doesn't do well to anyone. At 15, I was the first in my school class. Two years later, most all of my classmates did it. Talking the mid, late-70s here. On the way, many had to puke and fight uneasiness, when smoking their first time, and they were told by the more experienced, not to continue, nor try making it a habit.

I still think that some people just aren't gonna be 'happy' with it, as I still come across people saying, it doesn't do them well or always makes them want to throw up.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 7:46am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


I'm guessing it's related to overuse.

Probably.    Then I have known lots of heavy tokers who smoke from the time they roll out of bed.  Especially those who experienced nasty industrial accidents that left them with chronic pain.   

I wonder if some of the young victims are swallowing the smoke.  


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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 1:19pm

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Thanks R_D.  And here I thought I had been around the block, once or twice.  This is a completely new problem for me.   I have never encountered anybody with these kinds of symptoms.

Though it fits with the forecast that social acceptance and legalization risked more cannabis-driven medical problems.

I guess it was so easy for many of us back in the day.   The hashish was strong but just expensive enough that most of us did it only occasionally.   The weed was weak; even the specialty brands (Thai sticks, Panama Red, Colombian Gold) were relatively weak by today's standards.  Many of us went to a high school classroom buzzed ONCE and quickly concluded that it did not work with learning.

I do not know what to say other than parents should minimize the disposable cash available to their adolescent children.   Shower them with goods in kind, if you must; otherwise avoid showering them with cash.


I'm guessing it's related to overuse.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 1:08pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Thanks R_D.  And here I thought I had been around the block, once or twice.  This is a completely new problem for me.   I have never encountered anybody with these kinds of symptoms.

Though it fits with the forecast that social acceptance and legalization risked more cannabis-driven medical problems.

I guess it was so easy for many of us back in the day.   The hashish was strong but just expensive enough that most of us did it only occasionally.   The weed was weak; even the speciality brands (Thai sticks, Panama Red, Colombian Gold) were relatively weak by today's standards.  Many of us went to a high school classroom buzzed ONCE and quickly concluded that it did not work with learning.

I do not know what to say other than parents should minimize the disposable cash available to their adolescent children.   Shower them with goods in kind, if you must; otherwise avoid showering them with cash.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2021 - 5:50pm

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