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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 1:33pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

It mentions it is one particular district in Birmingham, and that is was organized by a young Muslim female councillor (along with another councillor). We can't know if they are all (recent) migrants either.

However, despite that you can still come up with a massive generalization, despite a report that claims a different trend? A list of ethnic political representatives shows more variety as well.

 
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/pressArticle/83

Was Mass Immigration a Conspiracy?


Mass immigration is an entirely different matter. The question now is how did it happen and what can be done about it. Was it all a Labour conspiracy? Was it sheer incompetence in government? Or was it wholesale retreat in front of the race relations lobby?

Landmark

The strongest evidence for conspiracy comes from one of Labour’s own. Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away.

Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the  deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.

He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn’t its main purpose - to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.

That seemed, even to him, a manoeuvre too far.

The result is now plain for all to see. Even Blair’s favourite think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), commented recently: ‘It is no exaggeration to say that immigration under New Labour has changed the face of the country.’

It is not hard to see why Labour’s own apparatchiks supported the policy. Provided that the white working class didn’t cotton on, there were votes in it.

Research into voting patterns conducted for the Electoral Commission after the 2005 general election found that 80 per cent of Caribbean and African voters had voted Labour, while only about 3 per cent had voted Conservative and roughly 8 per cent for the Liberal Democrats.

The Asian vote was split about 50 per cent for Labour, 10 per cent Conservatives  and 15 per cent Liberal Democrats.
 



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31062699

Election 2015: Migrant voters 'could be decisive'


The report highlighted a challenge for the Conservatives, particularly over migrant voters.

At the 2010 election, 16% of black and ethnic minority voters chose the Tories; 68% voted Labour.

Generations of migrants had formed an image of Labour as the party that "protects migrant and minority interests, in contrast to the Conservatives", the study said.

Conservative chairman Grant Shapps acknowledged there was a "big challenge" ahead for his party, but stressed "things were changing".

"I am the first to accept that people don't necessarily move to this country and immediately think of voting Conservative.




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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 1:06pm

 rotekz wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11585886/Better-Labour-meetings-are-segregated-than-men-only-says-Harriet-Harman.html

Here is a picture of a Labour party rally in Birmingham last year.  What are the two things that jump out at you?



Not only is the audience 99% muslim but they are gender segregated as well. In the UK!

Labour has the migrant vote sown up.
 
It mentions it is one particular district in Birmingham, and that is was organized by a young Muslim female councillor (along with another councillor). We can't know if they are all (recent) migrants either.

However, despite that you can still come up with a massive generalization, despite a report that claims a different trend? A list of ethnic political representatives shows more variety as well.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:46pm

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and DAT'S the name of dat tune!
 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:45pm

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

     22st?
 
 

 

 I used to have a friend who according to the signage lived on E. 2th (tooth?) St.

 
East Saint Louis Toothaloo?
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:32pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

For more information please reread.

 
Well after that the font gets too difficult for us old timers to read.   It is still January though isn't it?   I know there's no baseball yet.
 

 
  
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:27pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11585886/Better-Labour-meetings-are-segregated-than-men-only-says-Harriet-Harman.html

Here is a picture of a Labour party rally in Birmingham last year.  What are the two things that jump out at you?



Not only is the audience 99% muslim but they are gender segregated as well. In the UK!

Labour has the migrant vote sown up.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:22pm

 rotekz wrote:
 RichardPrins wrote:
That's but one partial view (and from 2010).

How about migrant heavy constituencies outside London then?

Even worse - 1/20 voted Tory.
 
See my previous answer. It still applies regardless of individual snapshots.

There are several of those views in the report and it's summed up at the end, which was used in my first post that referenced this report. From 2005 on, the overall trend is changing, i.e. away from Labour.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:21pm

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

     22st?
 
 

 

 I used to have a friend who according to the signage lived on E. 2th (tooth?) St.

 
For more information please reread.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:14pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:



 
     22st?
 
 

 

 I used to have a friend who according to the signage lived on E. 2th (tooth?) St.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:13pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

That's but one partial view (and from 2010).
 

How about migrant heavy constituencies outside London then?

Even worse - 1/20 voted Tory.

 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:08pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Facts? He don't need no stinking facts!

 

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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 12:02pm

 rotekz wrote:
From the same document: 4/20 migrant heavy London constituencies voted Tory.
 
That's but one partial view (and from 2010).

The conclusion was posted in my previous post which showed a different trend.

If the leftist parties want to open the borders because migrants vote for handouts (which are predominantly not used by migrants) then there's no (longer a) guarantee they'd get those voters.

That is aside from the fact that the leftists parties in the UK have moved to the right (first as Blairites) as well (as in most European countries) even implementing austerity, and thus cutting services.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:56am

 aflanigan wrote:

As soon as you start referring to yourself as an illegal citizen (i.e. someone who has broken a law during his lifetime, as we all have), I will be happy to start referring to undocumented immigrants as "illegals".

 
I break the law and get caught, I will have to be held accountable.  Simple enough.

Get caught being here illegally, then I expect the same for that person as well.

Its so simple really ... don't get caught.  Cuz if you do  ...


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:55am

 RichardPrins wrote:
And you ended up with Tories again..


From the same document: 4/20 migrant heavy London constituencies voted Tory.



 


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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:19am

 rotekz wrote:
I didn't say anything about who consumes what. Just that migrants will nearly always vote for the party that offers the most handouts.  

That has changed somewhat as well:
Historically, a majority of BAME (Black, Asian and Minority ethnic) voters - most of whom are first or second generation migrants - have voted for the Labour party.
In 2010, 68% of BAME voters supported Labour, whilst the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats received 16% and 14% of the BAME vote respectively.

However, the recent trend among this group is a move away from Labour, with 2010 support for Labour lower than that in 2005. Recent analysis from the University of Manchester suggested a further sharp decline in BAME attachment to the Labour party ahead of the 2015 general election.

There is no evidence that BAME support is shifting decisively in the direction of a different political party. Rather, many BAME voters are now as unsure about which way to vote as the rest of the electorate.
And you ended up with Tories again...
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:17am

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Let's not conflate human / moral rights and Karma with Constitutional rights.  Karma is not a right.  Karma is a religious value, voluntarily ascribed to by those who seek balance and goodwill such as defined by the Golden Rule and the notion of mutual respect.  Karma also dictates the notion of you made your own bed, now lie in it.  The Constitution defines rights and rules for governance within the borders of the USA, only.  While the merits of our Constitution may be worth spreading throughout the rest of the world, that effort can be seen as an act of US Imperialism.  Better we mind our own business and keep our own house in order and lead by example. 

In terms of illegal immigration, Karma would apply to those seeking entry who make a choice to knock on the front door and ask if they may come in versus those who sneak in a back window and trespass.  It is the Karma of the trespassers.  The trespassers have no respect for the home they are encroaching on.  Where is the mutual respect ?  My Karma is unaffected should I be offended by or take issue with or defend against the trespassers if I have done nothing other than cite the rules and ask that they be respected.

I realize that you do not recognize the concept of illegal immigration to the USA.  With that, it is hard to have a meaningful discussion on this topic with you and those who share your disregard for the laws of the land.  Let's be honest here.  To redefine an illegal immigrant as an undocumented worker, I'll just take it all the way for you and get it out in the open.  They are not undocumented workers, they are undocumented Democrats.  

FTR, I do believe in Karma, but I also believe in the worth of our Constitution.  The two are not mutually exclusive. 

 
As soon as you start referring to yourself as an illegal citizen (i.e. someone who has broken a law during his lifetime, as we all have), I will be happy to start referring to undocumented immigrants as "illegals".
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:14am

 rotekz wrote:

I didn't say anything about who consumes what. Just that migrants will nearly always vote for the party that offers the most handouts offers to represent all Americans, including the poor, women, minorities, etc.

 
FYT
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 11:06am

 RichardPrins wrote:

The majority of "handouts" are actually consumed by the natives themselves, despite what the scapegoat-searching far-right may say.

 
I didn't say anything about who consumes what. Just that migrants will nearly always vote for the party that offers the most handouts. 
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Posted: Jan 14, 2016 - 10:48am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Facts? He don't need no stinking facts!

 

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