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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 9:42am

 VV wrote:

You're as morally bankrupt as he is I guess. I suppose there truly isn't anything he can say or do that you won't support or conveniently ignore. Does he have to murder babies and eat their flesh to make him unfit?
 
And here all-along I only considered you "pond scum"... I will have to rethink that. I was giving you too much credit.
 
 
 

 
I have my limits.  Did he do something illegal ?  Fine, lock him up.  If it's his decorum that you object to most of all, sorry.   I voted for a street fighter.  Eloquence has gotten me nothing but the shaft in the long run.  He keeps checking off boxes that I voted for.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 9:37am

 steeler wrote:

Define "deep state."

It is being cited — not just by you — as if it is an identifiable, concrete entity/organization. At this point, I am not accepting of the normalization of the term, which typically — if not exclusively — is used as a pejorative.      



 
I know that you have stated unequivocally that there is no such thing as the deep state.  

I would define the deep state as the entrenched bureaucracy embedded with a certain political objective that benefits the welfare of the bureaucracy (public corruption) over everything else that crosses the line allowing for the means to justify the ends to insure its survival.  It views elected officials as the summer help who will come and go and have little impact on their mission.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 9:23am

 steeler wrote:

Define "deep state."

It is being cited — not just by you — as if it is an identifiable, concrete entity/organization. At this point, I am not accepting of the normalization of the term, which typically — if not exclusively — is used as a pejorative.      



 
People doing their job?
Proclivities

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 9:10am

 kurtster wrote:

Yes and no.  I so far see no conclusive evidence of collusion with Russia by Trump or that Russia preferred Trump over Clinton.  That is what this is all about, right ?  I see plenty of evidence of Russia trying to disrupt our processes in general and cast doubt on their integrity and results. ...
 
"What it's all about" seems to vary based upon who you ask, I guess.  As of now, there is no direct evidence of Trump himself "colluding" with Russian officials, but there is clear evidence of his campaign staff meeting with Russian officials - whether or not that pans out to constitute collusion is a different matter.  Presently, I think there is a stronger case against him for obstruction than there is any collusion.
steeler

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 8:54am

 kurtster wrote:

Yes and no.  I so far see no conclusive evidence of collusion with Russia by Trump or that Russia preferred Trump over Clinton.  That is what this is all about, right ?  I see plenty of evidence of Russia trying to disrupt our processes in general and cast doubt on their integrity and results. 

What I do see unfolding is pretty convincing evidence of collusion on the part of Hillary, the DNC and the deep state with nefarious agents and people.  The "dossier" is the center piece, especially with Feinstein's release of the transcript of Fusion GPS's head guy.  We now know that someone has died as a direct result of this fully paid for by Hillary and the DNC handiwork.  I think that might matter at some level, regardless of its content.

We are also finding out how the deep state used this dossier as proof for the need of a FISA  warrant that enabled the party in power to spy on the Trump campaign.  I wish I could say that I am surprised by how much real corruption is being exposed, but I am not.  My barometer on this is whether or not Abedin does any actual time for having currently classified material on her laptop at the time of confiscation.

 
Define "deep state."

It is being cited — not just by you — as if it is an identifiable, concrete entity/organization. At this point, I am not accepting of the normalization of the term, which typically — if not exclusively — is used as a pejorative.      


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 8:32am

 Proclivities wrote:

Is there something which leads you to believe that there is nothing to the investigation into Russian meddling/involvement, other than your our President's repeated denials? 

 
Yes and no.  I so far see no conclusive evidence of collusion with Russia by Trump or that Russia preferred Trump over Clinton.  That is what this is all about, right ?  I see plenty of evidence of Russia trying to disrupt our processes in general and cast doubt on their integrity and results. 

What I do see unfolding is pretty convincing evidence of collusion on the part of Hillary, the DNC and the deep state with nefarious agents and people.  The "dossier" is the center piece, especially with Feinstein's release of the transcript of Fusion GPS's head guy.  We now know that someone has died as a direct result of this fully paid for by Hillary and the DNC handiwork.  I think that might matter at some level, regardless of its content.

We are also finding out how the deep state used this dossier as proof for the need of a FISA  warrant that enabled the party in power to spy on the Trump campaign.  I wish I could say that I am surprised by how much real corruption is being exposed, but I am not.  My barometer on this is whether or not Abedin does any actual time for having currently classified material on her laptop at the time of confiscation.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 7:39am

 kurtster wrote:

Yes.  Never stopped supporting him or denied it.   A goody two shoes was low on my list of qualities.

Sure as hell beats the alternative choice, nyet ? 

OBTW, how's that Russia, Russia, Russia thing going for ya ?

 
You're as morally bankrupt as he is I guess. I suppose there truly isn't anything he can say or do that you won't support or conveniently ignore. Does he have to murder babies and eat their flesh to make him unfit?
 
And here all-along I only considered you "pond scum"... I will have to rethink that. I was giving you too much credit.
 
 
 


steeler

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 6:50am

 black321 wrote:
Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I'll piss on 'em
that's what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard


  {#High-five}

 

Trump channeling/distorting Lou? :)




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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 6:34am

Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I'll piss on 'em
that's what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 6:33am

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Full-throated support of moral vacuity is such an appealing political philosophy, neh?

 
MAGA
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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 6:22am

 kurtster wrote:

Yes.  Never stopped supporting him or denied it.   A goody two shoes was low on my list of qualities.

Sure as hell beats the alternative choice, nyet ? 

OBTW, how's that Russia, Russia, Russia thing going for ya ?

 
Full-throated support of moral vacuity is such an appealing political philosophy, neh?
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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 6:17am

 kurtster wrote:

Yes.  Never stopped supporting him or denied it.   A goody two shoes was low on my list of qualities.

Sure as hell beats the alternative choice, nyet ? 

OBTW, how's that Russia, Russia, Russia thing going for ya ?

 
Is there something which leads you to believe that there is nothing to the investigation into Russian meddling/involvement, other than your Presdient's repeated denials? 
kurtster

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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 5:29am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

So, you're actually admitting to continuing to support this piece of human shit, is that it?

 
Yes.  Never stopped supporting him or denied it.   A goody two shoes was low on my list of qualities.

Sure as hell beats the alternative choice, nyet ? 

OBTW, how's that Russia, Russia, Russia thing going for ya ?
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Posted: Jan 12, 2018 - 5:29am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 
{#Notworthy}
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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 10:14pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what are you going to do with me ?  Have me shot ?  Or sent to a shithole country like Haiti ?  Or Somalia ?  North Korea ?  

How about Syria ?  You know, the place Obama drew a red line in ...
.
 
1) Why do you wonder what anyone is going to "do" with you? We all live with our choices. What are you doing with yourself, as you see what our President is doing to our nation?

2) Obama? Srsly? {#Rolleyes} 
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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 8:45pm

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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 8:14pm

 steeler wrote:
Every time I think he cannot sink any lower, he manages to limbo under that bar.

 
They've got the bar down in a sewer trench already. But the backhoe's ready.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 6:17pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what are you going to do with me ?  Have me shot ?  Or sent to a shithole country like Haiti ?  Or Somalia ?  North Korea ?  

How about Syria ?  You know, the place Obama drew a red line in ...
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So, you're actually admitting to continuing to support this piece of human shit, is that it?
VV

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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 6:08pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what are you going to do with me ?  Have me shot ?  Or sent to a shithole country like Haiti ?  Or Somalia ?  North Korea ?  

How about Syria ?  You know, the place Obama drew a red line in ...
.


 
No need to leave the country if you don’t want to but thanks for the offer. Looking forward to your postcards from abroad.
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