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DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Sep 7, 2016 - 7:06pm

 ScottN wrote:

You do understand, I hope, that by Trump's claim, not Clinton's, he has quite embarrassed himself into defining his own ineligibility?
By Trump's standards and claims, not hers.

 
I wasn't trying to support Trump. What I don't understand is why anyone wants to defend either of them as they are both horrible choices but yet all the Clitnon apologist come out. I don't want either of them as leader of this country.
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Posted: Sep 7, 2016 - 7:01pm

 DaveInVA wrote:

Well if you use that logic on Trump then the same applies to Clitnon:
 

GOP hammers Clinton and her aides for saying 'I don't know' 327 times in email investigations



 
You do understand, I hope, that by Trump's claim, not Clinton's, he has quite embarrassed himself into defining his own ineligibility?
By Trump's standards and claims, not hers.
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 7, 2016 - 5:54pm

 DaveInVA wrote:

Well if you use that logic on Trump then the same applies to Clitnon:
 

GOP hammers Clinton and her aides for saying 'I don't know' 327 times in email investigations



 
The thing is, that's the logic he is using, not the logic she is using. He's the one saying it makes her ineligible so he's hoisted on his own petard - particularly because he is saying he has a great memory even though he apparently doesn't remember saying it.

There are only three reasons for a lawyer to ask someone a question that gets 'I don't know' as a response in a deposition. 1) the lawyer is incompetent, 2) the lawyer is trying to trap the person into looking foolish, and 3) they are hoping the person screws up and admits to something the lawyer doesn't already know. Maybe there is the rare instance where it's a genuine question and the person truly doesn't know.
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Posted: Sep 7, 2016 - 5:32pm

 haresfur wrote:
Donald Trump accidentally declares himself ineligible for the presidency

I know that posting silly things Trump said is futile but I did love this bit from a deposition:

Q: Do you believe you have one of the best memories in the world?

A: That I can't tell you. I can't tell for other people but I have a very good memory

Q: You've stated though, that you have one of the best memories in the world?

A: I don't know. Did I use that expression? 

 
Well if you use that logic on Trump then the same applies to Clitnon:
 

GOP hammers Clinton and her aides for saying 'I don't know' 327 times in email investigations


haresfur

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Posted: Sep 7, 2016 - 4:43pm

Donald Trump accidentally declares himself ineligible for the presidency

I know that posting silly things Trump said is futile but I did love this bit from a deposition:

Q: Do you believe you have one of the best memories in the world?

A: That I can't tell you. I can't tell for other people but I have a very good memory

Q: You've stated though, that you have one of the best memories in the world?

A: I don't know. Did I use that expression? 
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Posted: Sep 3, 2016 - 5:10am

 Lazy8 wrote:


Roosevelt was a conspiracy theorist, seeing a cabal of wealthy industrialists behind any opposition to his policies, and he used the power of the executive branch to wage a vendetta against them. Trump sees different shadowy forces pulling the strings, but promises to do likewise in office. Both are/were populist demagogues with little respect for constitutional restrictions on executive power, and both present the image of a virile strongman/bully—men of action rather than thoughtful caution.
 

Well balanced and all, but is it a conspiracy theory if it's true? The Anti-trust theme he had, was one of his better legacies. Alas, you have only to look as far to see that money still controls politics.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Sep 1, 2016 - 7:06pm

perfect
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 27, 2016 - 9:45am

I was sitting at the Roosevelt Arch for the 100th birthday celebration of the National Park Service, listening to a stream of dignitaries praise the president who founded it, and a thought struck me: Teddy Roosevelt was the Donald Trump of his day.

No, he wasn't a real estate tycoon. He spent his inherited wealth adventuring and politicking rather than putting his name on buildings. He was an imperialist on a grand scale where Trump makes isolationist noises when he isn't talking about bombing places he couldn't find on a map. Roosevelt was a student of history and wrote his own books, Trump has people for that and hasn't even read some of the titles with his name on the covers. But in many ways, especially their images among the nation's elites, they were remarkably similar.

Both were overt racists. Roosevelt wasn't just casually racist—viewing anybody but white people as inferior, as was fashionable at the time—he was a proponent of white supremacy and eugenics, both in word and deed. He is seen today as a sort of noble savage and champion of wilderness, but didn't have much use for its inhabitants: “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of 10 are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the 10th.”

Roosevelt's thoughts on immigration are quoted by Trump supporters today, and he supported and signed the Immigration Act of 1903, which applied a political test for admission to the US. The bogeymen of the day were anarchists rather than Muslims but he was famously antagonistic toward Islam as well, depicting it as an enemy of civilization. A further extension of the Immigration Act in 1907 banned "polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.” This provoked outrage among the few (at the time) Muslims in the US, but that was seen inconsequential—the intended focus of the 1907 act's polygamy restriction was Mormons anyway, but it was still an overt act of religious bigotry.

Roosevelt was seen by some leaders of his own party as a rogue and an usurper, hijacking the party for his own radical agenda. When he campaigned for the Republican nomination against his own protege, William Taft in 1912 he was elbowed out of the party and began an unsuccessful third party run powered by both rage and vanity. With that loss he gave up politics.

Roosevelt was a conspiracy theorist, seeing a cabal of wealthy industrialists behind any opposition to his policies, and he used the power of the executive branch to wage a vendetta against them. Trump sees different shadowy forces pulling the strings, but promises to do likewise in office. Both are/were populist demagogues with little respect for constitutional restrictions on executive power, and both present the image of a virile strongman/bully—men of action rather than thoughtful caution.

Roosevelt left many monuments to his presidency, some which we revere today (the expanded National Park system) and some we're embarrassed by or at least ambivalent about (his military adventuring and the tilt in the balance of power toward the executive branch). We survived Roosevelt. We'd survive Trump. But we don't really need to repeat that history.
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Posted: Aug 24, 2016 - 8:58pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 
{#Clap}

Don't forget the generous portion of orange-y hair from an unknown animal, served on top. 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 24, 2016 - 5:57pm


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Posted: Aug 23, 2016 - 3:23pm

 kcar wrote:
Inspired by the Piranha Brothers' "The Operation".... , no doubt.

He was a cruel man, but fair.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2016 - 2:46pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kcar wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if the telemarketer got a nice cut from every donation—hence the commitment. Be careful about donating money to even legit campaigns, lazy8: once you donate to a candidate, your name gets put on a list that similar candidates will use over and over again. Members of my family get inundated with begging letters and the like. 

Tell me about it. I was already active in Libertarian politics so I'm already on those lists, but they're pretty good about heeding requests to shut off traffic. My wife, on the other hand, volunteered for the first Obama campaign and they never give us a moment's peace in an election year. Somehow they can't take "Stop calling me!" for an answer.

Maybe if we use the stop-or-I'll-donate trick on them...{#Ask}

 
Inspired by the Piranha Brothers' "The Operation".... , no doubt.
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 23, 2016 - 2:27pm

 kcar wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if the telemarketer got a nice cut from every donation—hence the commitment. Be careful about donating money to even legit campaigns, lazy8: once you donate to a candidate, your name gets put on a list that similar candidates will use over and over again. Members of my family get inundated with begging letters and the like. 

Tell me about it. I was already active in Libertarian politics so I'm already on those lists, but they're pretty good about heeding requests to shut off traffic. My wife, on the other hand, volunteered for the first Obama campaign and they never give us a moment's peace in an election year. Somehow they can't take "Stop calling me!" for an answer.

Maybe if we use the stop-or-I'll-donate trick on them...{#Ask}
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Posted: Aug 23, 2016 - 2:11pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kcar wrote:
Well ain't you got all the fun! 

Maybe that PAC has some affiliation with Trump University...hand-picked telemarketers/cons and such. 

These telemarketers seem pretty committed. One tried to argue with me—wanted to know what I had against Trump. I told her it was a LONG list and I didn't have time for all of it. 

My wife told me I could be more generous than $10 a call, but we gotta eat too. 
 
Wouldn't surprise me if the telemarketer got a nice cut from every donation—hence the commitment. Be careful about donating money to even legit campaigns, lazy8: once you donate to a candidate, your name gets put on a list that similar candidates will use over and over again. Members of my family get inundated with begging letters and the like. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 7:09pm

 kcar wrote:
Well ain't you got all the fun! 

Maybe that PAC has some affiliation with Trump University...hand-picked telemarketers/cons and such. 

These telemarketers seem pretty committed. One tried to argue with me--wanted to know what I had against Trump. I told her it was a LONG list and I didn't have time for all of it. 

My wife told me I could be more generous than $10 a call, but we gotta eat too. 
kcar

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 5:59pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Lazy8 wrote:
Lost count of how many robocalls I've gotten from a PAC claiming to support Donald Trump. It does use his recorded voice, but when you push enough buttons to talk to a human she eventually rattles off a disclaimer that they aren't connected to any campaign so for all I know it may be a scam*.

Whatever. I told them that every time they call me I'm donating $10 to the Gary Johnson campaign. "Oh, the pothead?" the 2-pack-a-day voice asks me. Yeah, him. Take me off your list or he's getting at least $20 a day from me.

Hope that worked.

*Which leaves unanswered the question of which would I be more upset about, donations actually going to Donald Trump or to a boiler room in the Bahamas making some bunko artist rich.

...and another ten bucks. Might get expensive being in the As in the phone book.

 
Well ain't you got all the fun! 

Maybe that PAC has some affiliation with Trump University...hand-picked telemarketers/cons and such. 


Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 5:41pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
Lost count of how many robocalls I've gotten from a PAC claiming to support Donald Trump. It does use his recorded voice, but when you push enough buttons to talk to a human she eventually rattles off a disclaimer that they aren't connected to any campaign so for all I know it may be a scam*.

Whatever. I told them that every time they call me I'm donating $10 to the Gary Johnson campaign. "Oh, the pothead?" the 2-pack-a-day voice asks me. Yeah, him. Take me off your list or he's getting at least $20 a day from me.

Hope that worked.

*Which leaves unanswered the question of which would I be more upset about, donations actually going to Donald Trump or to a boiler room in the Bahamas making some bunko artist rich.

...and another ten bucks. Might get expensive being in the As in the phone book.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 8:41am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
To be clear, it's my understanding that this super delegate system was implemented when Ted Kennedy made an upstart run at Jimmy Carter. The Party thought that intra-party strife led to them losing the election, so they wanted more stability, less tension, going into the convention. As bad as Debbie is, we cannot blame her for the superdelegate surprise.

It came from even farther back.

It was a reaction to the populist movement that drafted George McGovern and caused the biggest electoral college landslide loss they had ever seen. After the 1968 convention/riot they had a committee redraw the rules to limit the power of party insiders. The chair of that committee? George McGovern.

His subsequent shellacking caused an "I told you so" reaction that (in stages) created the superdelegates.

Since that movement is likely to succeed this time (success being defined as winning the presidency) maybe the oscillations will damp out now and they'll settle on superdelegates as a viable compromise between the smoke-filled room and the chanting mob.

 
I knew I wasn't getting it all but couldn't dredge it up.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 8:36am

Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties
Lazy8

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Posted: Aug 22, 2016 - 8:25am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
To be clear, it's my understanding that this super delegate system was implemented when Ted Kennedy made an upstart run at Jimmy Carter. The Party thought that intra-party strife led to them losing the election, so they wanted more stability, less tension, going into the convention. As bad as Debbie is, we cannot blame her for the superdelegate surprise.

It came from even farther back.

It was a reaction to the populist movement that drafted George McGovern and caused the biggest electoral college landslide loss they had ever seen. After the 1968 convention/riot they had a committee redraw the rules to limit the power of party insiders. The chair of that committee? George McGovern.

His subsequent shellacking caused an "I told you so" reaction that (in stages) created the superdelegates.

Since that movement is likely to succeed this time (success being defined as winning the presidency) maybe the oscillations will damp out now and they'll settle on superdelegates as a viable compromise between the smoke-filled room and the chanting mob.
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