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Coaxial

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BlueHeronDruid wrote: Red_Dragon wrote: burn in hell, you bag of shit Um. What the hell is going on under the table by the kid's hip? Looks like they have servants for everything these days.
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BlueHeronDruid

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Jan 2, 2018 - 6:14pm |
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Red_Dragon wrote: burn in hell, you bag of shit Um. What the hell is going on under the table by the kid's hip?
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Red_Dragon

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Jan 2, 2018 - 6:09pm |
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 #fuckingidiot
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haresfur

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Dec 30, 2017 - 6:46pm |
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kurtster wrote: It'll be different this time.
With the D's running the House and prolly the Senate, impeachment will be the very first order of business. That is if he hasn't been indicted already.
Guarantee ....
If the D's play their cards right, they'll get both Trump and Pence which would put restored Speaker Pelosi as next POTUS.
I wish I shared your optimism  Between the democratic party's ability to completely misread people's concerns and the unAmerican Republican gerrymandering, I expect the Republicans to milk this for a while longer. On the bright side that would be a good way to get new blood into the Democratic party structure. Kick em upstairs
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Dec 30, 2017 - 6:27pm |
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 burn in hell, you bag of shit
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Dec 30, 2017 - 5:00pm |
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Steely_D wrote: Even Rachel has pointed out that it's completely expected for the party opposite the President to win the midterms. Remember Obama came in with all Dem, tried to make things bipartisan but was thwarted for being uppity, and then the midterms brought in the Republican wave.
The same thing will happen here, and it's not any kind of mandate. It's the natural ebb/flow of politics.
It'll be different this time. With the D's running the House and prolly the Senate, impeachment will be the very first order of business. That is if he hasn't been indicted already. Guarantee .... If the D's play their cards right, they'll get both Trump and Pence which would put restored Speaker Pelosi as next POTUS.
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Dec 30, 2017 - 4:45pm |
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Steely_D wrote: Even Rachel has pointed out that it's completely expected for the party opposite the President to win the midterms. Remember Obama came in with all Dem, tried to make things bipartisan but was thwarted for being uppity, and then the midterms brought in the Republican wave.
The same thing will happen here, and it's not any kind of mandate. It's the natural ebb/flow of politics.
I hope you're wrong. That is being very uncharacteristic of me.
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Steely_D

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Dec 30, 2017 - 4:20pm |
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RedTopFireBelow wrote:and they know they're going to probably lose both the house and the senate. Even Rachel has pointed out that it's completely expected for the party opposite the President to win the midterms. Remember Obama came in with all Dem, tried to make things bipartisan but was thwarted for being uppity, and then the midterms brought in the Republican wave. The same thing will happen here, and it's not any kind of mandate. It's the natural ebb/flow of politics.
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RedTopFireBelow

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Dec 30, 2017 - 4:15pm |
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I posted that I thought MOST of our Liar in Chief's supporters have been "gas-lighted" by that lack-of-empathy-man/child and fox news. I feel sorry for many of them because they truly don't know any better. They've been drinking the cool-aid and got zombified. The amount of "no way"s I got was surprising. People think his supporters are just plain stupid and only care about themselves, to their own detriment.
Maybe I'm wrong but I gotta believe there's more to it then that.
Did you know that fox news was fined by the FTC in 2009 for using subliminal messaging during their broadcasts? I fact checked that shit and it's real. Would love to have Rachael Maddow investigate that angel. It would explain a lot because "little man" supporters seemingly find it impossible to think for themselves.
Anyway, I say...
this is the republicans fault. they are complicit in his treasonous actions.
vote them out.
that's if they don't postpone the next election. why wouldn't they? it would explain why there's no action toward protecting it. and they know they're going to probably lose both the house and the senate.
think about that.
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Dec 30, 2017 - 4:02pm |
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So we have a shortage of IV bags from Puerto Rico. That's the least of your problems. How about simple everyday things like contact lenses ? When I first got into the optical business over 20 years ago, I learned about Puerto Rico's importance in our industry and also why. I learned about the major push to offshore R&D from stateside to PR and all the tax incentives and other goodies provided to accelerate and facilitate this. And as we have since found out, without a viable infrastructure that can sustain such important activities. One little hurricane wipes out the entire power grid so vital to everything, let alone high tech and power intensive industries involved in the manufacturing of plastic devices, such as IV bags and contact lens, that we have come to be so dependent. And we readily and easily blame Trump for all of PR's current problems. Fine. Be that way. So take a look at all that is made in Puerto Rico and ask yourself why it is that the infrastructure was never upgraded to accommodate such vital industries. You can also predict coming shortages of other medical items. Take a look at the map and notice that Baxter (IV bags) and Coopervison (contact lenses) are located in the same sector. Yeah put these things in harms way because we're cheap and greedy and without a backup plan. Plenty o money floating around that island. Shame it was never spent wisely. Thanks Donald !!!!!!!!! Impeach the SOB, that'll make everything right. . MADE IN Puerto Ricoalso fun reading ... The story of Puerto Rico’s power grid is the story of Puerto Ricomore. Just this week the governor finally asked for 1500 more workers to help restore power Many in Puerto Rico still without power, 3 months after Maria
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Dec 29, 2017 - 6:45pm |
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 3:10pm |
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BillG wrote:In general, I'm pretty impressed with the relative civility of the dialogue in this topic. Pretty rare these days — particularly in regard to this particular individual.
However, phrases such as "WTF is wrong with you" and "pompous sanctimonious holier than thou lips" — when directed at fellow posters — are very, very close to the "no personal attacks" line.
One helpful reminder: "but he/she/they started it" is not a valid defense here.
Thanks.
my apologies
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 2:50pm |
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pigtail wrote:I am not lazy. I work my ass off for the same wages I made 10 years ago. I keep my home up and work hard to ensure that it doesn't fall into disrepair and remains an asset. Remember the French after Napolean invaded? I believe we are headed in the same direction. It's inevitable. Rome, France...on and on throughout history. We need an uprising. It will happen but I will probably be too damn old to join in.....BILL.....some MUSE please!!!  What do you have against the rich?
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pigtail

Location: Southern California Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 1:28pm |
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Steely_D wrote: I think it's just the most thoughtless way. It's so very easy to be critical, to rise up in anger, without a replacement solution that's better. (e.g. ACA)
Sitting now in the Old Folks' Perch I can talk at length about kids these days and their music is just noise and in my day it was different. But some of that is true. We see a shift in American culture towards nihilism because we've watched TV push us towards the idea that worthless things have meaning, when they don't.
In a culture where physical work, or functional creativity, or humanistic gestures are the real things of value - our TV has, because of the lowest common denominator "we need eyeballs" effect, told us that kids are smarter than their parents and shiny things are worth having and your breath smells and various political lies. (For the purpose of this rant, the Internet is now tantamount to TV with people's eyes glued to this screen whenever there's a gap in their existence.)
So it seems right to many Americans to put a vulgar, ineloquent, reality-show star in the highest office in the land. Because they're comfortable with the idea. Where the hell does that come from except the distorted reality that folks have shoved into their brains from the big blue teat from the moment their parents are too disinterested to play with them.
In other parts of the world, work and sweat and difficulties are part of life. Here, "normal" life, the life that folks want, is lazy and soft (Princesses and DJs as a career choice?) and - ultimately - defenseless once someone stronger decides they want what you have. And so millions of soft, lazy Americans are now losing - but doing nothing about it but sitting in chairs playing more video games and watching Star Wars and complaining on Reddit.
So, can they generate a thoughtful revolution through organization and voting and culture shift? No. So the best that any of us can imagine is violent, angry, destructive revolution. A temper tantrum seems to be their only eloquence.
I am not lazy. I work my ass off for the same wages I made 10 years ago. I keep my home up and work hard to ensure that it doesn't fall into disrepair and remains an asset. Remember the French after Napolean invaded? I believe we are headed in the same direction. It's inevitable. Rome, France...on and on throughout history. We need an uprising. It will happen but I will probably be too damn old to join in.....BILL.....some MUSE please!!!
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Steely_D

Location: The foot of Mount Belzoni Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 1:13pm |
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Response expected: "I won the electoral college in the biggest victory ever!"
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kcar


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Dec 29, 2017 - 12:31pm |
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aflanigan wrote: Yeah, I think Crawford's reference to Pirsig's work was intentional but check out this quote from an NYT review of "Shopcraft": This is not “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” Part 2. Mr. Crawford isn’t particularly interested in the nonrational mind. “I want to avoid the kind of mysticism that gets attached to ‘craftsmanship,’ ” he writes, “while doing justice to the very real satisfactions it offers.” This New Yorker review talks about both works and the alienation Americans feel in modern society:
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islander

Location: West coast somewhere Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 11:51am |
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kcar wrote:You might be interested in a book that was big a few years back, "Shopcraft As Soulcraft." The author gave up a position as president of a think tank (whose primary mission IIRC was to deny the existence of global warming) and opened a motorcycle repair shop. He's written a coupla other books since that might appeal to you. Thanks, just picked up the kindle version.
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aflanigan

Location: At Sea Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 11:47am |
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kcar wrote:You might be interested in a book that was big a few years back, "Shopcraft As Soulcraft." The author gave up a position as president of a think tank (whose primary mission IIRC was to deny the existence of global warming) and opened a motorcycle repair shop. He's written a coupla other books since that might appeal to you. Hmmm. The subtitle of the book is, "An inquiry into the value of work". Motorcycle depicted on the cover page.  Methinks this guy has read another book that is a cult favorite.
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islander

Location: West coast somewhere Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 11:46am |
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kcar wrote:I'm a bit lost when it comes to your linking territory status with corruption. I can't say much to Puerto Rico's troubled state, but Washington DC has struggled with interference from the federal government accompanied by insufficient funding from the feds. The federal government was not eager to let DC become a fully functioning municipality but it also didn't do enough to help it prosper as a city necessarily dependent on the federal government. From what I can tell, DC was not ready when Home Rule arrived in 1973. It tried to create a city government out of whole cloth without sufficient personnel experience or effective guidance from the federal government. Leaders such as Marion Barry tried to bootstrap the economy through boosting the local government payrolls and creating a middle class but they didn't do enough to counter white flight, the decline of businesses and growing sclerotic corruption of the government. The DC government didn't have enough power or tax base to turn the city around, and the federal government never had a consistent desire to sufficiently pitch in. As a longtime DC resident, the first time I noticed the federal government actively stepping in and trying to change the direction of the DC's local government was the creation of District of Columbia Financial Control Board in 1995, which Congress created to take the funding of a patronage system from Mayor Barry and effectively drive him from office. Until that point, Congress seemed indifferent to the fact that it was not using its oversized influence on DC's business and politics in a beneficial way. The DC government today is far from being an efficient or transparent organization but it's vastly improved. From what I can tell, PR is in disastrous shape—was so before Irma—and got there for quite different reasons than the ones that brought DC to a bad state. My very amateur guess is Puerto Rico is so far away from the federal government in miles, culture and institutionalized means of control that it's fairly easy for Congress to ignore PR until things fall apart. The federal government's response to Irma's effect on PR was atrocious and uncoordinated. It didn't help that infrastructure down there had fallen apart in many places but I think you have to pin most of the blame on the federal response under Trump. I wasn't linking the status and corruption. I've just frequently seen "oh they have corruption problems and have had them for years" as an excuse for why nothing has been fixed. But they are citizens and deserve the same protections as other citizens. DC is just a handy example - we would never let a disaster go unfixed there as we have in PR. And as you note, many steps have been taken to make fixes in the corruptions problems there.
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aflanigan

Location: At Sea Gender:  
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Dec 29, 2017 - 11:40am |
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islander wrote: I've never been afraid of work. After restaurant time, I got started as a machinist before getting an engineering degree. Over the years I did more desk work, and paper work and eventually became executive management. I still never shied away from a mop bucket or my turn cleaning the fridge/microwave. In the last year I took over a business that makes things. Small custom things that take a lot of engineering and thought and planning, but also a lot of artistry and hands on detailing. I've been surprised how rewarding it has been, and how much pride I have in what I produce.
It sounds (and feels) a bit old fashioned, but I do think we have lost something as we have moved into this phase where we produce a lot less. I'm fortunate to have this opportunity, and fortunate to have access to people who will pay a premium for the products we produce. I think part of our angst is tied to the amorphous nature of what we do now. It's also harder to own work and take pride in output that isn't clearly defined.
I agree, and I've tried to convey the pleasure/benefit/perspective of working with the hands to my offspring. I'm very much a technical person whose motivation to study science was based at least in part on wanting to better understand the devices and machines that I so enjoyed taking apart. And understanding the thinking behind the machines I would encounter in my life (automobiles, dishwashing machines in the restaurant, etc.). Crafting things from raw materials is indeed rewarding, and is another seed worth cultivating. Children often have seeds of curiosity in their brains, but they need to be cultivated and watered to flower. So rants about how the younger generation is missing out should acknowledge that perhaps, their elders (baby boomers) haven't tried very hard to grow those seeds.
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