Proper 3rd world Banana Republic vibes.....prosecute your biggest political opponents, keep them in jail and out of the running, whilst other investigations are revealing your own corruption.
Not sure if this is supposed to be funny. This guy, elected despite absolutely no political experience or talent, befriended the USAâs enemies, alienated our allies, put his daughter and son-in-law (also with no experience) in senior White House positions, failed at his campaign promises, lost a bid for re-election, fomented insurrection and treason, and that was all after he reneged on his business contracts/payments, lied to avoid taxes, and now shows obvious signs of senility and paranoia while insisting - despite the lack of proof - that heâs been cheated.
This isnât a political adversary; itâs a violent, racist, chaotic huckster. There is no reason on earth why anyone should think that giving him four years running the nation, again, would do anyone any good - unless theyâre his friends. Which most of us are not.
Proper 3rd world Banana Republic vibes.....prosecute your biggest political opponents, keep them in jail and out of the running, whilst other investigations are revealing your own corruption.
First they came for the gypsies, and I wasn't a gypsy, so I did nothing.
Then they came for the ............
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and there was nobody left to help me.
Hey, but those mean tweets, man.......
Yes, America is a third world banana republic hell bent on ethnic cleansing. ð¤£
I really don't know why any of you are surprised that anyone who is facing an out of pocket loss of a quarter of a billion dollars and the loss of their livelihood is not going down swinging.
Being taken down with an ancient law that to the best of my knowledge has never been used in modern times. I might be mistaken on its usage over time, I am sure someone will correct me.
That being said, this is another example of there are so many laws on the books that everyone is guilty of breaking some law. And how that if someone in the government wants to go after you, you're toast because if they really want you, no one has deep enough pockets to fight back when the government has unlimited resources.
This is one way how democracy really ends. It starts with selective enforcement of laws, making examples out of others, scaring and intimidating those watching, hoping that they roll over and submit.
So who again is the greatest threat to democracy right now ? I would say it is those who are currently in power and in charge. Not the ones who are challenging them.
of course, ymwv.
Proper 3rd world Banana Republic vibes.....prosecute your biggest political opponents, keep them in jail and out of the running, whilst other investigations are revealing your own corruption.
First they came for the gypsies, and I wasn't a gypsy, so I did nothing.
Then they came for the ............
...................
...................
and there was nobody left to help me.
I really don't know why any of you are surprised that anyone who is facing an out of pocket loss of a quarter of a billion dollars and the loss of their livelihood is not going down swinging.
Being taken down with an ancient law that to the best of my knowledge has never been used in modern times. I might be mistaken on its usage over time, I am sure someone will correct me.
That being said, this is another example of there are so many laws on the books that everyone is guilty of breaking some law. And how that if someone in the government wants to go after you, you're toast because if they really want you, no one has deep enough pockets to fight back when the government has unlimited resources.
This is one way how democracy really ends. It starts with selective enforcement of laws, making examples out of others, scaring and intimidating those watching, hoping that they roll over and submit.
So who again is the greatest threat to democracy right now ? I would say it is those who are currently in power and in charge. Not the ones who are challenging them.
of course, ymwv.
Yep, youâre right Kurt. Trump has done nothing wrong and never will and certainly if he did it would never be something he could be prosecuted for and if he did it would be totally unfair because he was put into a position by the Democrats to break the law and besides what is âlawâ anyway because the Government could get you anytime it wanted to with their unfair ancient laws and anyway can you believe this total breakdown of Democracy that is going on with how unfair they are being to Trump? I mean when is that man finally gonna catch a break?
...FYI I thank God for the government and its deep pockets... it's those deep pockets that mean Trump may actually be held accountable as Trump played the same "deep pockets" game during his business life to intimidate and wear down those he faced in civil court. So, most intelligent people would understand that the same thing he capitalized on is now coming full circle as he (for the first time in his life) is on the opposite side of it.
The greatest threat to Democracy is... was... and always will be... Trump.
I really don't know why any of you are surprised that anyone who is facing an out of pocket loss of a quarter of a billion dollars and the loss of their livelihood is not going down swinging.
Being taken down with an ancient law that to the best of my knowledge has never been used in modern times. I might be mistaken on its usage over time, I am sure someone will correct me.
That being said, this is another example of there are so many laws on the books that everyone is guilty of breaking some law. And how that if someone in the government wants to go after you, you're toast because if they really want you, no one has deep enough pockets to fight back when the government has unlimited resources.
This is one way how democracy really ends. It starts with selective enforcement of laws, making examples out of others, scaring and intimidating those watching, hoping that they roll over and submit.
So who again is the greatest threat to democracy right now ? I would say it is those who are currently in power and in charge. Not the ones who are challenging them.
I guess what burns me most is not what his motivations for trying to discredit the judge are⦠but the fact that he is still given leeway to do it. The one place where you would expect him not to be able to do whatever he wants⦠turns out to be just like any other place where he does exactly what he wants.
And yes, his undermining of the Judicial system is just one of many reasons he should not be president.
It'll be interesting to see if he tries to provoke the prosecutors and judges in his other cases. I don't think he can rattle Judge Chutkan; his lawyers tried all sorts of histrionics to delay the start of the trial. I also don't see it working on Fani Willis. The case in GA has become quite perilous for Trump because of his lawyers flipping.
This is what I believe. Trumpâs MO is to undermine our institutions if it works for him. He does not care if he is eroding pillars of our democracy. His attacks on the judiciary and prosecutors are alone reasons he should not be President.
I guess what burns me most is not what his motivations for trying to discredit the judge are⦠but the fact that he is still given leeway to do it. The one place where you would expect him not to be able to do whatever he wants⦠turns out to be just like any other place where he does exactly what he wants.
And yes, his undermining of the Judicial system is just one of many reasons he should not be president.
Wasn't there some theory Drumpf was the antichrist?
Prophesy being fulfilled?
Rather than asking the question (e.g., âDoes Hillary Clinton drink the blood of babies?â Which sounds like itâs stating a fact) shouldnât we be stating something like âTrump is meeting the criteria for being called the AntiChrist because these things are true:â¦â ?
This is what I believe. Trumpâs MO is to undermine our institutions if it works for him. He does not care if he is eroding pillars of our democracy. His attacks on the judiciary and prosecutors are alone reasons he should not be President.
Yes, he's a very simple man. "If you are not for me, you are against me and must be destroyed. Whoever or whatever you are."
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Nov 7, 2023 - 4:53pm
kcar wrote:
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That suggests a fourth reason Trump and his lawyers are challenging Engoron. Itâs related to publicity seeking but goes beyond it. Trumpâs modus operandi is to undermine any institution that stands up to him, whether the news media or the military or the courts. Causing people to lose confidence in the judiciary may be precisely what Trump is banking on, Gusdorff (Janet R. Gusdorff, an attorney specializing in appeals)wrote, âto minimize the effects of the lawsuit and increase voter support for his 2024 presidential bid.â
This is what I believe. Trumpâs MO is to undermine our institutions if it works for him. He does not care if he is eroding pillars of our democracy. His attacks on the judiciary and prosecutors are alone reasons he should not be President.
That may be... but doesn't he impose the penalty? What kind of idiot slams a judge who holds the future of their New York businesses in their hand while he is in the middle of presiding over your trial? Any other "defendant" acting out like this would be held in contempt of court... because he is who he is... even those rules don't seem to apply.
I think he's trying to goad Engeron into losing his cool which would thereby open the possibility of a strong appellate case based on judicial bias. Trump might believe that Engeron has already made up his mind about the types and degrees of punishment; in that case Trump's behavior wouldn't risk much. Engeron for his part likely understands Trump's motivation and doesn't want to fall into that trap.
Trump is also definitely playing to the voters. Personally, I find it laughable that a man who constantly boasts about his wealth and powers can also constantly whine about how he's a victim, but some Americans just lap it up.
Peter Coy of the NYT tries to answer why Trump is trying to antagonize Engeron:
"One obvious reason is that Trump is furious that Engoron ruled that he inflated the value of his assets and effectively took away the licenses Trump needs to operate his properties in New York. Billionairehood is a crucial component of Trumpâs self-image.
Another obvious reason is that Trump likes the publicity. Trump complained that the trial took him off the presidential campaign trail, but in fact, his presence in the courtroom wasnât required. He chose to be there because he knew heâd get more camera time than if he were working the crowd in, say, Nashua, N.H.
A less obvious reason is that Trump and his lawyers are looking past Engoron to the almost inevitable appeal."
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This week I interviewed Danya Perry, who is defending Trumpâs former personal lawyer Michael Cohen against a lawsuit by Trump in federal court accusing Cohen of breaching his fiduciary duty.
I asked her about the Trump teamâs strategy of repeatedly bringing up arguments that Engoron has already rejected. She said itâs what lawyers call preserving the record â making sure that trial records include all arguments that they might want to put forth on appeal. Itâs a basic principle of litigation that any argument that isnât raised at trial cannot be raised on appeal.
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That suggests a fourth reason Trump and his lawyers are challenging Engoron. Itâs related to publicity seeking but goes beyond it. Trumpâs modus operandi is to undermine any institution that stands up to him, whether the news media or the military or the courts. Causing people to lose confidence in the judiciary may be precisely what Trump is banking on, Gusdorff (Janet R. Gusdorff, an attorney specializing in appeals)wrote, âto minimize the effects of the lawsuit and increase voter support for his 2024 presidential bid.â
That may be... but doesn't he impose the penalty? What kind of idiot slams a judge who holds the future of their New York businesses in their hand while he is in the middle of presiding over your trial? Any other "defendant" acting out like this would be held in contempt of court... because he is who he is... even those rules don't seem to apply.
The judge made his mind up before the trial even began. There is a 100% chance that Trump will be convicted.
That may be... but doesn't he impose the penalty? What kind of idiot slams a judge who holds the future of their New York businesses in their hand while he is in the middle of presiding over your trial? Any other "defendant" acting out like this would be held in contempt of court... because he is who he is... even those rules don't seem to apply.
The judge made his mind up before the trial even began. There is a 100% chance that Trump will be convicted.
Kurt, we finally agree on something.
The judge has already found Trump and his co-defendants guilty of fraud. It was decided before THIS trial. The judge made up his mind and issued his verdict. These proceedings are considering six additional claims against Trump, including
allegations of falsifying business records, issuing false financial
statements, and insurance fraud.
So Trump knows that the judge has found him guilty, the issue is the size of the penalty and possible loss of his business license in NY.
Trump is being aggressive right now because he knows that the judge understands exactly who he is...and that he's going down hard this time for good reason. He is also playing "the crusader' so that you and the MAGA faithful will see him as the fighter he is (that's sarcasm to me... but I'm sure you believe he's a fighter).
As for the conviction...it's not really an option here...but that won't stop Trump and the MAGA base from saying it repeatedly. That's OK, it's good practice for next year.
