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HazzeSwede
Location: Hammerdal Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 5:17pm |
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bokey wrote:What is the deal with the overpriced, scam steroid nasal sprays? I've tried Nasacort, Flonase and Veramyst and they are all completely ineffective BS.
How do these companies get away with selling useless, ineffective, non working products?
I 'm just using saltwater,sniff it up,takes some time getting used to,but works. ,,,,,,not lying,,,,!!!!
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bokey
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Jun 29, 2009 - 5:09pm |
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What is the deal with the overpriced, scam steroid nasal sprays? I've tried Nasacort, Flonase and Veramyst and they are all completely ineffective BS.
How do these companies get away with selling useless, ineffective, non working products?
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jun 29, 2009 - 4:19pm |
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jadewahoo wrote:Like freedom to the slaves of yore, something that was not their legal right, so is the right to health care, shelter, food, clean water and the respect of dignity a de facto natural law, Where government has any role at all to play in our lives (and believe me, it is very circumscribed in my opinion) it is to nurture and protect these basic human rights against the encroachments of greed, prejudice and violence. Missed this last night. Sorry, but I fail to understand the analogy between slavery and health care. Slavery is a wrong imposed by some upon others and a gross violation of natural rights. How it equates to health care escapes me. Ideally, I'd prefer no government at all, but that's probably not gonna happen in my lifetime. If it must exist, then it should be limited to punishing wrongdoers and defending the society that created it.
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rosedraws
Location: close to the edge Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 7:35am |
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Lazy8 wrote: This is to get reimbursed for it—you can hire anybody you like and pay them as little as they'll take if you pay it out of pocket. My midmost had a gig like that for a while; a family hired him to take care of a disabled child. The problem isn't the outrageous profit (do you work for free, after all?) but the many layers of rules involved. Complying with all of them—hell, finding out what they all are—takes many full-time people. Then there's insurance to cover the risk of being sued by anybody involved at any time for any reason, the various taxes, bonds that have to be posted, certifications, etc...
We have put so many safeguards in place to insure that no one ever makes a mistake (or if they do the offended person's lawyer gets handsomely compensated) that it's putting services like that out of reach.
Kind of a metaphor for our whole healthcare system.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 7:32am |
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bokey wrote:In order to get a minimally responsible person to care for my Dad, I have to pay them $40 an hour.This is for a person who takes like a 6 week CNA course who makes maybe $15 an hour themselves. The rest disappears into admin costs/profit. Ridiculous. This is to get reimbursed for it—you can hire anybody you like and pay them as little as they'll take if you pay it out of pocket. My midmost had a gig like that for a while; a family hired him to take care of a disabled child. The problem isn't the outrageous profit (do you work for free, after all?) but the many layers of rules involved. Complying with all of them—hell, finding out what they all are—takes many full-time people. Then there's insurance to cover the risk of being sued by anybody involved at any time for any reason, the various taxes, bonds that have to be posted, certifications, etc... We have put so many safeguards in place to insure that no one ever makes a mistake (or if they do the offended person's lawyer gets handsomely compensated) that it's putting services like that out of reach. Kind of a metaphor for our whole healthcare system.
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jadewahoo
Location: Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 7:25am |
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bokey wrote:I've got a problem with the "pre-existing condition" aspect of most health insurance policies.
It's like a bank loan- if you really need it, it's unavailable.
I'm not saying that companies should be forced to take on clients that they know will cost them financially, but clearly our health care system is broken so badly that there is no excuse for it not being our nations #1 priority.
Health care in the USA does require a bank loan.
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bokey
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Jun 29, 2009 - 7:14am |
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In order to get a minimally responsible person to care for my Dad, I have to pay them $40 an hour. This is for a person who takes like a 6 week CNA course who makes maybe $15 an hour themselves. The rest disappears into admin costs/profit. Ridiculous.
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 7:09am |
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arighter2 wrote:Thanks. I feel so much better about myself now. When I'm working tomorrow in an old rock quarry under the hot sun seperating wood to be used on the pallets that bring goods to folk like you and Slabby, l'll think of y'all.
I'm sorry Larry, I certainly didn't mean it that way. I didn't mean any offense at all, I was only talking about how it's more expensive to pay for illness than to pay for preventative health care. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. Right now I am on COBRA, which the gov pays 65%. After that runs out, who knows.
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callum
Location: its wet, windy and chilly....take a guess Gender:
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Jun 29, 2009 - 2:12am |
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MrsHobieJoe wrote:I think that it is a right however we all pay for it somehow whether by taxes or privately. We seem to have killed the debate on tihs one in this country- all 3 main political parties are supportive of the NHS and the principle of free at the point fo delivery healthcare.
EDIT- I should say that the US has got to sort its own system out and I'm not advocating our system for you just saying that our debate no longer seems to be raging in the same way. Our issues are how to improve the service and keep the costs manageable.
Of course we in the Western world are lucky to have such a high quality service overall.
And our own service is riddled with all the problems of a large government run beaurocracy...lots of middle managers and reorganisations every time a new guy gets in power, or the same old guy wants to be seen to be 'doing' something. But from the reports I hear, its a hell of a lot better than what you guys have. Good luck to the US in fixing itself...
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 9:15pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: The crux of the biscuit.
I usually cut that part off and the rest is still good with jelly.
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bokey
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Jun 28, 2009 - 9:12pm |
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I've got a problem with the "pre-existing condition" aspect of most health insurance policies.
It's like a bank loan- if you really need it, it's unavailable.
I'm not saying that companies should be forced to take on clients that they know will cost them financially, but clearly our health care system is broken so badly that there is no excuse for it not being our nations #1 priority.
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arighter2
Location: dubuque Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:45pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: The only way a society can be responsible for individuals is if those individuals abdicate their responsibility for themselves to it.
I realize my view doesn't have many subscribers, but I'm not attacking you personally. Your health issues have been great and I don't pretend to know how much that effects your perspective. As for "selling out to the man and taking his bennies" yes, I have in that regard and how I deal with that is my own little battle of principle verses pragmatism.
respect.
I apologize for the selling out comment. It was part of an awkward way of making the point that the present situation, from which you benefit, is set up so many people, even working people, are economically disqualified. As for me, I've suffered through a lifetime of schizophrenia precisely because I believed it was my responsibility to fix myself. Even though, because of the disease, I could never figure out what was wrong. I'm glad society finally intervened. Today, i get free medications and counseling, but I still don't have non-psychological health care.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:20pm |
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Lazy8 wrote: This need not become a semantic argument. People confuse the definitions of right and entitlement all the time. Correcting this, even if you can do it, won't resolve the issue. Philosophical consistency means nothing to most people—they care if their needs are met.
The crux of the biscuit.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:19pm |
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arighter2 wrote:I think it is the responsibility of any advanced society to make certain medical care is provided to its people.. .
The only way a society can be responsible for individuals is if those individuals abdicate their responsibility for themselves to it. I realize my view doesn't have many subscribers, but I'm not attacking you personally. Your health issues have been great and I don't pretend to know how much that effects your perspective. As for "selling out to the man and taking his bennies" yes, I have in that regard and how I deal with that is my own little battle of principle verses pragmatism. respect.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:11pm |
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oldslabsides wrote:So, are you saying you do feel health care is a right?
This need not become a semantic argument. People confuse the definitions of right and entitlement all the time. Correcting this, even if you can do it, won't resolve the issue. Philosophical consistency means nothing to most people—they care if their needs are met.
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arighter2
Location: dubuque Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:08pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: So, are you saying you do feel health care is a right?
I think it is the responsibility of any advanced society to make certain medical care is provided to its people.. .
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:00pm |
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arighter2 wrote:Glad I found a some surgeons who disagree with you. Otherwise I'd be dead from cancer.
So, are you saying you do feel health care is a right?
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jadewahoo
Location: Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 8:00pm |
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oldslabsides wrote:Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but I have the impression that a large percentage of folks seem to think that health care is a right. If so, when exactly did it become one?
Like freedom to the slaves of yore, something that was not their legal right, so is the right to health care, shelter, food, clean water and the respect of dignity a de facto natural law, Where government has any role at all to play in our lives (and believe me, it is very circumscribed in my opinion) it is to nurture and protect these basic human rights against the encroachments of greed, prejudice and violence.
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arighter2
Location: dubuque Gender:
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Jun 28, 2009 - 7:59pm |
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dmax wrote: Health Care isn't a right, I agree. When I talk with my boys about where our donations go, I tend to say stupid stuff like "people need food. they don't HAVE to have even shelter, but they have to have food. that's where everything starts, and that's why we support he food bank."
Shelter, health care, nice clothes, education, good job - these are all wonderful things, provided in the best way that we can if we're a benevolent society. But they aren't rights.
and, BTW, why have employers pay health care? Seems like it's adding a weird criterion for getting coverage. Shouldn't employers pay a decent wage, and health care is provided at a decent cost? But don't tie them together. That's somewhat arbitrary and is also a ballast on the financial freedom of the company. I bet it kills many upstart ideas.
Glad I found a some surgeons who disagree with you. Otherwise I'd be dead from cancer.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Jun 28, 2009 - 7:56pm |
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arighter2 wrote:Not saying you shouldn't get your bennies for selling out to the man, but if you think those deserving are simply those that can afford, you're supporting a system in which the Bernard Madoff's of the world are entitled to the best health care, and millions of honest working folk can go without. Do you honestly think there is justice in that?
See my reply to Dmax. Justice is a separate issue.
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