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hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:14pm

 buzz wrote:

uh...yeah...thats pretty much it...i guess
 
This was about a week ago. I'm not backscrolling to get it all straight. 
 
You said something about science finding solutions to all our problems and making life good. something kinda like that sorta maybe more or less. Monsanto was the first thing that came to mind when I read that. I said it out loud. Don't over think it. It's me.
 
Jonas Salk saw a problem. He found the money and he solved it. The world needs more Jonas Salks. My distrust of the Climate Change industry started with Al Gore. Too many people making money without solving the problems. I am a little skeptical of climate change scientist because in order to stay in business and continue to get funding, they must continue to scream that the sky is falling. Whether it is or is not. 
 
I'm old and tired. Let it drop. 

 
90% of all scientists believe in climate change. You mean to say they are all bought off?

Salk received funding from what was to become the March of Dimes which was started by FDR. He didn't do it himself. He didn't find the money, the money found him. He took a research position at Pitt's School of Medicine after being turned down from other schools because he was Jewish.


buzz

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 3:05pm

 steeler wrote:


Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit.  It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research  funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?    

   

 
uh...yeah...thats pretty much it...i guess
 
This was about a week ago. I'm not backscrolling to get it all straight. 
 
You said something about science finding solutions to all our problems and making life good. something kinda like that sorta maybe more or less. Monsanto was the first thing that came to mind when I read that. I said it out loud. Don't over think it. It's me.
 
Jonas Salk saw a problem. He found the money and he solved it. The world needs more Jonas Salks. My distrust of the Climate Change industry started with Al Gore. Too many people making money without solving the problems. I am a little skeptical of climate change scientist because in order to stay in business and continue to get funding, they must continue to scream that the sky is falling. Whether it is or is not. 
 
I'm old and tired. Let it drop. 
ScottN

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 2:21pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Greenland is Melting, Literally

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

 

.........

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.



  Umh, HC, the impression you are making is simply untrue.  What is true is that it is melting at a record pace.  But it is almost two miles thick in some places.  The sea level would rise drastically, ocean currents altered, and the sea awash in icebergs.


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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 1:50pm

 steeler wrote:
Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit.  It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research  funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?   
 
i haven't back-scrolled so don't blame me

monsanto (a global lobbying powerhouse) and government(s) are special partners

they (monsanto) have the best state secured privileges money can buy

i guess my point would be is there any difference between the two (especially their trustworthiness)

in other words, both are corrupt and in bed together

can we trust them

i think there could be an influenced interpretation of what some scientist in the trenches says and what his superiors might say

whistle blowers don't do very well in corrupt political or corporate environs

regards



steeler

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:21pm

 buzz wrote:

HITLER!
 

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.
 

 

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes. 


 

Let's try again.

You throw out Monsanto. And I respond — admittedly, off the top of my head — with Jonas Salk. I did so because he is an example of a scientist whose work contributed significantly to better the human experience and he did so without seeking personal profit.  It would be relevant if your point — and I'm guessing as to what your point might be — were that scientists studying global warming are concocting findings for personal profit.

Now, I'm guessing that the point behind your post above might be that scientific research  funded through private sources is less suspect or more trustworthy than scientific research funded or subsidized in whole or in part by governmental sources?    

   


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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:07pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Greenland is Melting, Literally

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

In a normal summer, 40 percent of Greenland’s landmass is covered by ice as the ice sheet shrinks by about half during the hottest months of the year. And on July 8th, things were still looking normal. 

But just four days later, 97 percent of Greenland’s icy blanket was thawing out, a record amount of melting in a record amount of time. 

“The discovery was so severe, researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California analyzing the satellite data thought it was a mistake. The space agency has monitored Greenland’s annual ice melt for 30 years, and has never recorded anything like this before.” 

As the U.S. suffered through a triple-digit heat wave, on July 11 and 12, Greenland was experiencing it’s own heat wave, with temperatures reaching a degree or two above freezing — which in the arctic, is utterly catastrophic. 

Not since 1889 has Greenland experienced such a melting event. Whether Global Warming caused the rapid melt or this is a natural event is still up for debate. Lets hope for the sake of Greenland and our entire planet, that this was an isolated event. 

Despite the mounting evidence of global warming, including Greenland melting in just four days — many of our elected leaders still refuse to admit that global warming is real, let alone do anything about it. Click here to sign our petiton demanding elected officials take this issue seriously.

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.



 
The wrong right is already shrugging loudly. Even with 3/4's of the US in drought and farmers dropping like flies. It's amazing how blind a political agenda and blatant stupidity can make some "thinking" apes.
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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 12:05pm

 miamizsun wrote:

bump

 
We'll see...
miamizsun

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 11:56am

 miamizsun wrote: 
bump
hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 8, 2012 - 11:39am

Greenland is Melting, Literally

This is some scary stuff. According to NASA analysis of recent satellite readings, in just four days, nearly all of Greenland’s surface ice melted.

In a normal summer, 40 percent of Greenland’s landmass is covered by ice as the ice sheet shrinks by about half during the hottest months of the year. And on July 8th, things were still looking normal. 

But just four days later, 97 percent of Greenland’s icy blanket was thawing out, a record amount of melting in a record amount of time. 

“The discovery was so severe, researchers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California analyzing the satellite data thought it was a mistake. The space agency has monitored Greenland’s annual ice melt for 30 years, and has never recorded anything like this before.” 

As the U.S. suffered through a triple-digit heat wave, on July 11 and 12, Greenland was experiencing it’s own heat wave, with temperatures reaching a degree or two above freezing — which in the arctic, is utterly catastrophic. 

Not since 1889 has Greenland experienced such a melting event. Whether Global Warming caused the rapid melt or this is a natural event is still up for debate. Lets hope for the sake of Greenland and our entire planet, that this was an isolated event. 

Despite the mounting evidence of global warming, including Greenland melting in just four days — many of our elected leaders still refuse to admit that global warming is real, let alone do anything about it. Click here to sign our petiton demanding elected officials take this issue seriously.

Because if we don't act soon, Greenland will just be the beginning.


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Posted: Aug 5, 2012 - 11:08am

 Umberdog wrote:

Better than paying their fair share in taxes?

 
Winning "a game."
Umberdog

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 9:59pm

 Xeric wrote:
Yeah, because if that was accomplished, then, uh, well, then, uhmm . . . well, really, why the fuck would anybody be motivated to do that?
 
Better than paying their fair share in taxes?
Xeric

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 8:02pm

 Umberdog wrote:
This is the BIG problem: The make believe and denial of the brain-washed, ditto-headed, greedy, multitude. Our weakest link.

 "The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability." ~ Jerry Falwell

 



 
Yeah, because if that was accomplished, then, uh, well, then, uhmm . . . well, really, why the fuck would anybody be motivated to do that?
steeler

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 3:07pm

 buzz wrote:

HITLER!
 

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.
 

 

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes. 


 



You might just state your point. Perhaps I might then be able to understand it. No promises, though, as I am a simple man.
Umberdog

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 12:03pm

This is the BIG problem: The make believe and denial of the brain-washed, ditto-headed, greedy, multitude. Our weakest link.

 "The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability." ~ Jerry Falwell

 




buzz

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 11:56am

 steeler wrote:


Jonas Salk

 
HITLER!
 

ok...not really, but i had to go with the first thing that popped into my head. you know how that is.
 

 

A quick looks show that Salk was privately funded by what would later become The March of Dimes. 

steeler

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Posted: Aug 4, 2012 - 11:01am

 buzz wrote:

Monsanto
 
 
 
just sayin...

 



Jonas Salk
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Posted: Aug 3, 2012 - 7:25pm

Given the procedures and options being offered by the techno-industrial civilization that has created this imbalance, there is no hope, there is no solution.
Umberdog

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Posted: Aug 3, 2012 - 7:21pm

Nature functions across millions of years. Humanity will be just a blink of her eye.
ScottN

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Posted: Aug 3, 2012 - 7:13pm

 black321 wrote:

I dont see global warming as a problem for mother nature, so much as a potential disaster for the human race.  Regardless, we need to be investing in better technologies to get us away from polluting toxins and using up all our natural resources.

edit, and if we properly "invest" we could solve some of our economic issues to boot!
 
Of course. "Mother Nature " is the agency for change, not the victim, "we" are..  I think we caused it (planetary crisis) and a disaster of epic proportions is imminent as measured in a few decades, not centuries.  If we stopped all pollution today (unrealistic to an inconceivable degree), the atmosphere is still overloaded.  We have passed the tipping point.  The economic advantages, whatever they may be, will be for the survivors.  "Mother Nature", our Planet will certainly make a correcting mechanism to regain the equilibrium. I doubt we will like the method very much..  I am pessimistic that technology of any type can reverse, or even much mitigate, this outcome.  I guess this is one benefit of being older....I may not be around to suffer through it.


black321

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Posted: Aug 3, 2012 - 2:04pm

 ScottN wrote:

My personal belief is we passed the tipping point before the subject was even much in dialogue.  The planet, as we live today, simply cannot sustainably support 7-8 billion peeps.  To me, it's a no brainer to think that dumping trillions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere annually over a couple of centuries won't have significant consequences.  Add to that all the other insults to which we have subjected our only planet and you have an inevitable future disaster.

 
I dont see global warming as a problem for mother nature, so much as a potential disaster for the human race.  Regardless, we need to be investing in better technologies to get us away from polluting toxins and using up all our natural resources.

edit, and if we properly "invest" we could solve some of our economic issues to boot!


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