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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 11:47am

Is Donald Trump a Traitor?
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 10:15am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah the article I linked isn't the one I heard this morning; the others don't have transcripts up yet. But it addressed the ballot tampering threat, not twitter trolls.

 




Threat being the key word and yes anyone on a computer is under threat anywhere at any time so of course there should be due diligence to prevent out and out hacking no question about that. I would reiterate though the rest of the world is under more threat from us then Russia or even China regarding election meddling mostly through the CIA.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 10:13am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah the article I linked isn't the one I heard this morning; the others don't have transcripts up yet. But it addressed the ballot tampering threat, not twitter trolls.

 
2016 was likely a first attempt/dry run. They attacked at least 21 voter systems and successfully penetrated at least a handful of them.

The thing they were likely doing was probing for weaknesses and learning about the systems so that any future interference might be less obvious/easily detected.  

The "nothing to see here" stance in the face of such facts  strikes me as foolishly naive (or maybe politically motivated?). 

Russians penetrated U.S. voter systems, top U.S. official says


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 9:50am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'm sure it's Fake News
 



 


Never said that, it is all true. I just don't see the problem, how are you going to stop internet trolls and bots cause essentially that is what we are talking about.

 
Yeah the article I linked isn't the one I heard this morning; the others don't have transcripts up yet. But it addressed the ballot tampering threat, not twitter trolls.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 9:38am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'm sure it's Fake News
 



 




Never said that, it is all true. I just don't see the problem, how are you going to stop internet trolls and bots cause essentially that is what we are talking about.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 9:06am

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Again, when you find evidence of hacking and changing votes, please let me know.

 
I'm sure it's Fake News
 


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 9:03am

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Russian Threat To Elections To Persist Through 2018, Spy Bosses Warn Congress

February 13, 2018 • Moscow's interference in the United States and the West has continued since 2016 and is forecast to persist through this year's midterm races, the U.S. intelligence community says.
I think this is the story where the GOP guy says it's clear they tried, and most likely failed, in 2016, but their efforts are clearly refined and are likely to be directed at soft targets as a proof of the system.



 




Again, when you find evidence of hacking and changing votes, please let me know.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 9:01am

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Confucious says those who make decisions based on tweets have bird brains..
 

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Thank you and that was my point.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 8:57am

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How many voting machines have they hacked into and changed the results on? Wake me up when you find that.

 

Russian Threat To Elections To Persist Through 2018, Spy Bosses Warn Congress

February 13, 2018 • Moscow's interference in the United States and the West has continued since 2016 and is forecast to persist through this year's midterm races, the U.S. intelligence community says.
I think this is the story where the GOP guy says it's clear they tried, and most likely failed, in 2016, but their efforts are clearly refined and are likely to be directed at soft targets as a proof of the system.


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 8:32am

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I don't get it, what is the problem with this? The United States has been and does far more direct meddling with boots on the ground than Russia ever could. Meddling in elections is one of the few categories we are still undisputed leaders of. Is this illegal? I don't think so. Did they influence any votes with these tweets? Probably, good for them and bad for anyone who is influenced by such silliness as a tweet. I hope Putin gives those trolls and bot creators raises, they have done a good job. How many voting machines have they hacked into and changed the results on? Wake me up when you find that.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 8:16am

(Google Spreadsheet) Ten sample influential Russian Twitter Trolls 
 
NBC Posts 200,000+ Deleted Twitter posts from Russian trolls
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 - 6:09am

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"The more secretive government becomes, the less trust it deserves. Secrecy empowers politicans to manipulate public opinion with self serving disclosures." James Bovard
 
concerning the current production?

i think in the end they've got to come up with something/anything

even if it is inventing a new "political" standard on a go-forward basis

and speaking of bovard...

Robert Mueller's forgotten surveillance crime spree



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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 7:34am

"The more secretive government becomes, the less trust it deserves. Secrecy empowers politicans to manipulate public opinion with self serving disclosures." James Bovard
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 6:17am

has this guy been hiding under a rock?  god!

There’s Still No Big ‘There’ in the Russia Probe

The FBI’s disappointing surveillance of Carter Page illustrates the difficulty of implicating the president in illegal collusion.


Peter Strzok, an FBI agent who called Donald Trump an "idiot" and rooted against him in 2016, was nevertheless reluctant to join the investigation of possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russians who sought to influence the presidential election. Strzok, who was removed from the probe after his anti-Trump comments came to light, expressed his qualms in a May 19 text message to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, his girlfriend at the time: "I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there's no big 'there' there."

It is looking more and more like Strzok's gut was right. The FBI's surveillance of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, which Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee criticize in a memo that was declassified last week, shows investigators putting a lot of time and effort into a line of inquiry that apparently led nowhere.

Given the low legal bar for wiretapping suspected foreign agents, it seems likely that the FBI could have obtained permission to wiretap Page even without the evidence that the memo portrays as questionable and tainted by partisan bias. But that does not mean the bureau's investigation of Page, an oil industry consultant known for his pro-Russian views, was fruitful.

The FBI questioned Page in 2013 about his encounter with a Russian intelligence agent (who he apparently did not realize was a spy) and reportedly monitored his conversations in 2014. In October 2016, after press coverage of Page's chumminess with the Russian government led him to part ways with the Trump campaign, the FBI obtained a new warrant, which lasted 90 days and was renewed three times, meaning he was under FBI surveillance for a full year.

Despite all this interest in Page, a peripheral figure in the Trump campaign who served as a foreign policy adviser for half a year, he was never charged with a crime.


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Posted: Dec 21, 2017 - 7:12pm

Why Russians Think ‘America Is Waging War Against Russia’
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Posted: Nov 15, 2017 - 8:12am

What Hillary Knew About Putin's Propaganda Machine
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Posted: Nov 3, 2017 - 10:06am

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uh oh

Behold the Work of Russia's Evil Advertising Geniuses

Satan is on Clinton's side, and check out this coloring book featuring a buff Bernie Sanders!

 
Very, very convincing!
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Posted: Nov 3, 2017 - 6:02am

uh oh

Behold the Work of Russia's Evil Advertising Geniuses

Satan is on Clinton's side, and check out this coloring book featuring a buff Bernie Sanders!



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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 - 1:03pm

 R_P wrote: 
Some interesting comments that follow, pointing to Greenwald himself failing to correctly quote...eg, California did in fact say they were hacked.  Who to believe anymore? 
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