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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: May 12, 2025 - 8:54pm

 kcar wrote:


You have very good points. What's really disturbing is the lack of organized and coherent resistance and legal challenges. 

I'm not surprised that the GOP isn't doing anything. The party is a collection of free agents, each looking out for his own interests. There is no profit for them in challenging Trump. Most of the GOP people in Congress agree with the general outlines of Trump's proposed agenda so fighting over the legality of Trump's methods or the extent of his actions—deporting people illegally, making excessive cuts to the government—isn't worth fighting for. GOP members will likely disappear or pretend they no longer understand English if/when an actual constitutional crisis erupts. 

The Democrats need to speak up NOW. Don't wait for the economic effect of the tariffs to hit. Run with the majority consensus of Americans that Trump is going too far and needs to be reined in. Come up with a coherent plan to make life more affordable for Americans—higher minimum wage, stimulation of new housing construction/conversion, subsidized child care, new ways to save money for college, retirement, etc. Emphasize over and over again that the ultra-rich are robbing the rest of us with excessive wealth, political capture and tax evasion. 

David Brooks, writing in the New York Times and appearing on the PBS Newshour, has some great ideas on pulling together a broad and deep coalition of groups resisting and challenging Trump. 

The courts are glacial on this matter, to the point that they're almost acquiescing to Trump's kleptomania and Constitutional defiance. 


The fundamental issue here is division. The concept that the privileges of being American only apply to a narrowly defined sub-group and not to anyone else. 
That is why the Republicans can be so blatantly hypocritical and get away with it, because the fundamental message is one of tribalism. We're in, you're not. It's like putting history back several centuries to the Dark Ages, where we all nestled within the protective walls of our local fiefdom as the foreign hordes stormed the ramparts. 
Until the "privileged" realise they are 
1. not actually privileged
2. making us all poorer (including themselves) with such arcane policies
we will never have any resolution. 

BTW, here's a great article on the dual state in the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...
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Posted: May 12, 2025 - 7:56pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Can we get back to the idea that the President is in the middle of staging a coup?
Do a quick survey of what previous “strong men” have done and he’s following the same script. It really takes blinders to not be aware of it. 

From the book “Strongmen” - 

For ours is the age of authoritarian rulers: self-proclaimed saviors of the nation who evade accountability while robbing their people of truth, treasure, and the protections of democracy. They promise law and order, then legitimize lawbreaking by financial, sexual, and other predators.

They use masculinity as a symbol of strength and a political weapon. Taking what you want, and getting away with it, becomes proof of male authority. They use propaganda, corruption, and violence to stay in power.

Vladimir Putin and Mobutu Sese Seko’s kleptocracies, Augusto Pinochet’s torture sites, Benito Mussolini and Muammar Gaddafi’s systems of sexual exploitation, and Silvio Berlusconi and Donald Trump’s relentless misinformation: all show how authoritarian rule, far from ensuring stability, is marked by destructive chaos.

No other type of leader is so transparent about prioritizing self-interest over the public good. As one country after another has discovered, the strongman is at his worst when true guidance is most needed by his country.




You have very good points. What's really disturbing is the lack of organized and coherent resistance and legal challenges. 

I'm not surprised that the GOP isn't doing anything. The party is a collection of free agents, each looking out for his own interests. There is no profit for them in challenging Trump. Most of the GOP people in Congress agree with the general outlines of Trump's proposed agenda so fighting over the legality of Trump's methods or the extent of his actions—deporting people illegally, making excessive cuts to the government—isn't worth fighting for. GOP members will likely disappear or pretend they no longer understand English if/when an actual constitutional crisis erupts. 

The Democrats need to speak up NOW. Don't wait for the economic effect of the tariffs to hit. Run with the majority consensus of Americans that Trump is going too far and needs to be reined in. Come up with a coherent plan to make life more affordable for Americans—higher minimum wage, stimulation of new housing construction/conversion, subsidized child care, new ways to save money for college, retirement, etc. Emphasize over and over again that the ultra-rich are robbing the rest of us with excessive wealth, political capture and tax evasion. 

David Brooks, writing in the New York Times and appearing on the PBS Newshour, has some great ideas on pulling together a broad and deep coalition of groups resisting and challenging Trump. 

The courts are glacial on this matter, to the point that they're almost acquiescing to Trump's kleptomania and Constitutional defiance. 
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 8:52pm

Can we get back to the idea that the President is in the middle of staging a coup?
Do a quick survey of what previous “strong men” have done and he’s following the same script. It really takes blinders to not be aware of it. 

From the book “Strongmen” - 

For ours is the age of authoritarian rulers: self-proclaimed saviors of the nation who evade accountability while robbing their people of truth, treasure, and the protections of democracy. They promise law and order, then legitimize lawbreaking by financial, sexual, and other predators.

They use masculinity as a symbol of strength and a political weapon. Taking what you want, and getting away with it, becomes proof of male authority. They use propaganda, corruption, and violence to stay in power.

Vladimir Putin and Mobutu Sese Seko’s kleptocracies, Augusto Pinochet’s torture sites, Benito Mussolini and Muammar Gaddafi’s systems of sexual exploitation, and Silvio Berlusconi and Donald Trump’s relentless misinformation: all show how authoritarian rule, far from ensuring stability, is marked by destructive chaos.

No other type of leader is so transparent about prioritizing self-interest over the public good. As one country after another has discovered, the strongman is at his worst when true guidance is most needed by his country.


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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 8:28pm

 buddy wrote:
This is the kind of nonsense that keeps me out of these so-called debates. 
 
You might consider evicting Dave & anybody else living rent free in your head & just post your opinions for yourself without attachment to anyone’s reactions.  Rip more vinyl, you’ll sleep better.

 
Two lines.

1) He has called me an attention whore in one way or another many times in the past as he defends himself regarding comments I've made about his posts. 

2) Projection ?

.

Edit:  I haven't stopped ripping vinyl.  I just don't post or mention it anymore as it has been made clear that no one wants to hear about it.
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 8:04pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, ok.

So I went and looked at his posting history 

4770 pages since 2003

20 posts per page using the old system = 95,400 posts

7,847 days since joining @ 21.5 years.

95,400 posts / 7,847 days = 12.16 posts per day, EVERY DAY  for over 21.5 years

That's an awful lot of "quality".  

You say he rates 100% quality ?  

So who again is the attention whore ?

just to be thorough, I put myself through the same process and I came up with 1.82 posts per day.  That makes me a real slacker when it comes to posting here.

So what….you win?  
 
You actually spend time auditing people’s posting history to…make what point exactly?

These are rhetorical questions, I don’t have the patience to read a response over about two lines. 

This is the kind of nonsense that keeps me out of these so-called debates. 
 
You might consider evicting Dave & anybody else living rent free in your head & just post your opinions for yourself without attachment to anyone’s reactions.  Rip more vinyl, you’ll sleep better.



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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 7:25pm

 buddy wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
MAGA_dragon wrote:


Please to stfu. You bore me.
 


Says the one RPeep who has made more posts than everyone else here put together {#Rolleyes}

It’s not the quantity, it’s the quality dude.  Give it some thought. 
 
Yeah, ok.

So I went and looked at his posting history 

4770 pages since 2003

20 posts per page using the old system = 95,400 posts

7,847 days since joining @ 21.5 years.

95,400 posts / 7,847 days = 12.16 posts per day, EVERY DAY  for over 21.5 years

That's an awful lot of "quality".  

You say he rates 100% quality ?  

So who again is the attention whore ?

just to be thorough, I put myself through the same process and I came up with 1.82 posts per day.  That makes me a real slacker when it comes to posting here.
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 6:40pm

 kurtster wrote:

Sure sounded like you don't know what it is.  U mus knot reed wot u right  ...

So if 10 million people does not qualify as an invasion, how many do?

 
Says the one RPeep who has made more posts than everyone else here put together 
{#Rolleyes}

It’s not the quantity, it’s the quality dude.  Give it some thought. 

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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 6:04pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I know exactly what it is, you moron. The headline is evidence that a hell of a lot of people in this country don't.

There is no "invasion". Just paranoia on the part of you and your ilk.
 
Sure sounded like you don't know what it is.  U mus knot reed wot u right  ...

So if 10 million people does not qualify as an invasion, how many do?


Please to stfu. You bore me.
 
Says the one RPeep who has made more posts than everyone else here put together {#Rolleyes}
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 5:39pm

 kurtster wrote:

It used to be taught in a class called Civics.  You know more about Nazis than this country. 

In retrospect, you are Putin's bitch.

In the Constitution, Habeas Corpus can be suspended for circumstances involving an invasion.  

We have had an invasion of at least 10 million illegals, so the suspension would be justified.

This will certainly end up in SCOTUS if contested.
.

OBTW, the new Pope is a Sox fan, not a Cubs fan and has a history of voting in republican primaries.
.

{#Nyah}


I know exactly what it is, you moron. The headline is evidence that a hell of a lot of people in this country don't.

There is no "invasion". Just paranoia on the part of you and your ilk.

I don't honestly give a shit about the pope. I posted a meme I thought was good for a chuckle; you took it seriously.

Please to stfu. You bore me.
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 5:35pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
What is habeas corpus, the legal procedure Trump is considering suspending?
This is the lead story on CNN's website at the moment. It's terrifying.
 
It used to be taught in a class called Civics.  You know more about Nazis than this country. 

In retrospect, you are Putin's bitch.

In the Constitution, Habeas Corpus can be suspended for circumstances involving an invasion.  

We have had an invasion of at least 10 million illegals, so the suspension would be justified.

This will certainly end up in SCOTUS if contested.
.

OBTW, the new Pope is a Sox fan, not a Cubs fan and has a history of voting in republican primaries.
.

{#Nyah}
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 3:46pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

What is habeas corpus, the legal procedure Trump is considering suspending?

This is the lead story on CNN's website at the moment. It's terrifying.


Throwback to the Dubya era when it was also discussed w.r.t. renditions, black sites torture, and Guantanamo.
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Posted: May 10, 2025 - 3:25pm

What is habeas corpus, the legal procedure Trump is considering suspending?


This is the lead story on CNN's website at the moment. It's terrifying.
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Posted: May 9, 2025 - 1:14pm

New Jersey mayor arrested at US immigration detention center, prosecutor says
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Posted: May 9, 2025 - 9:29am

 islander wrote:
Something something camel, something something eye of needle. 


You rang? 

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Posted: May 9, 2025 - 8:57am

 Isabeau wrote:

Geebus! 
 I knew the Post was going right, but ...this?


Something something camel, something something eye of needle. 
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Posted: May 9, 2025 - 8:38am

 R_P wrote:

The Bezos Post. Next up: The Vatican should be run like a business! More indulgences!


Geebus!  I knew the Post was going right, but ...this?
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Posted: May 9, 2025 - 5:07am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
She's got an opinion so that means she acknowledges that he is god's representative on earth and so should probably shut up or she'll be meeting with lesser imps and demons.

I guess she assumes she needs to express her opinion and people need to know it, even though she's not Catholic, she's not even Christian.
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Posted: May 8, 2025 - 7:06pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what. You hate religion more than you hate Nazis and you don't even believe in God.


Are you threatened by a pope with Christian values?
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Posted: May 8, 2025 - 5:29pm

Just wait until Musk DOGE’s the Vatican up to get them back in the Black since he saw too much Red.  
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Posted: May 8, 2025 - 5:07pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

The Bezos Post. Next up: The Vatican should be run like a business! More indulgences!

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