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Posted: Sep 30, 2021 - 4:12am

 oldviolin wrote:
 
 
love works like a charm especially if it is sandwiched in between peace and understanding

just ask elvis costello!
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Posted: Sep 29, 2021 - 1:05pm

 miamizsun wrote:
what does the wrong path look like?
and how will i know?

when you see road signs that look like this  

  • Moralization/Tribalize
  • Demonize
  • Dehumanize
  • Violence

hook a u-turn and head for something better
 

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Posted: Sep 29, 2021 - 12:48pm

How Much Does How Much We Hate Each Other Matter?
As Trump rose to the presidency, one explanation that swept political science was the power of polarization, specifically a phenomenon known as affective polarization, but a keen group of scholars now suggests that this approach is inadequate.

It would be hard to describe the state of political competition in America more accurately than as “a poisonous cocktail of othering, aversion and moralization” — the subtitle of an article, “Political Sectarianism in America,” published by 15 important scholars in Science magazine in November 2020, including Eli Finkel, Peter Ditto, Shanto Iyengar, Lilliana Mason, Brendan Nyhan and Linda Skitka.

The Science essay argues that

The political sectarianism of the public incentivizes politicians to adopt antidemocratic tactics when pursuing electoral or political victories. A recent experiment shows that, today, a majority-party candidate in most U.S. House districts — Democrat or Republican — could get elected despite openly violating democratic principles like electoral fairness, checks and balances, or civil liberties. Voters’ decisions to support such a candidate may seem sensible if they believe the harm to democracy from any such decision is small while the consequences of having the vile opposition win the election are catastrophic.

The costs, the authors argue, are substantial:

Sectarianism stimulates activism, but also a willingness to inflict collateral damage in pursuit of political goals and to view co-partisans who compromise as apostates.
Yphtach Lelkes, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, has his own description of the state of American politics:
Affective polarization is the canary in the coal mine. That is, it tells us things are dysfunctional without causing the dysfunction. Affective polarization as an indicator of dysfunction rather than a cause doesn’t diminish its importance, I think.
David E. Broockman, Joshua L. Kalla and Sean J. Westwood, political scientists at Berkeley, Yale and Dartmouth, challenge the Science magazine argument. Instead, they make the case in their December 2020 paper, “Does Affective Polarization Undermine Democratic Norms or Accountability? Maybe Not,” that partisan hostility may be destructive, but attempts to moderate it will not diminish party loyalty or tolerance for anti-democratic changes in election law or the decline in political accountability. (...)

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Posted: Aug 26, 2021 - 5:27am

 Steely_D wrote:


I want someone to hang on me the way she hangs on him. Jeez.

I miss Bowie.

He was odd and different, and that often overshadowed the fact that he was so incredibly talented.

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Posted: Aug 25, 2021 - 10:00pm

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I want someone to hang on me the way she hangs on him. Jeez.
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Posted: Aug 25, 2021 - 7:54pm

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Posted: Aug 20, 2021 - 4:42am

what does the wrong path look like?
and how will i know?

when you see road signs that look like this  

  • Moralization/Tribalize
  • Demonize
  • Dehumanize
  • Violence

hook a u-turn and head for something better
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Posted: Dec 24, 2020 - 8:59am



 miamizsun wrote:

shameless bump
 

Love= 12 15 22 5 =54
Hate= 8 1 20 5 =34

Love wins again
any way you play
any way you pay
any day you say
Love wins again...
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Posted: Dec 24, 2020 - 8:04am

 miamizsun wrote:
one of these is better than the other
 
shameless bump
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:59am



 miamizsun wrote:


what's your shirt size?    
{#Lol}
 

XL 
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:37am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

i work with this guy  {#Lol}
 
I AM that guy.

 

what's your shirt size?    {#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:12am



 miamizsun wrote:

i work with this guy  
{#Lol}
 
I AM that guy.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 8:36am


i work with this guy  {#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 7:47am

one of these is better than the other
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Posted: Apr 10, 2019 - 7:39am

....aaaand a good chunk of the SPLC leadership has resigned.

The Southern Poverty Law Center Is Both a Terrible Place to Work and a Place That Does Terrible Work

Top executives are departing amidst reports of racial and sexual harassment.

Controversy has struck the Southern Poverty Law Center, the formidable progressive law firm best known for tracking hate groups in the U.S. Co-founder Morris Dees, President Richard Cohen, and other top executives are exiting the organization amidst a staff uprising over alleged sexual and racial harassment in the work place.

The leadership shakeup, fueled by allegations that black staffers were shut out of key positions and that Dees personally harassed female staffers, has brought the SPLC considerable media scrutiny, and it's about time. Regardless of whether these specific accusations have merit, the SPLC should face a reckoning over its extremely shoddy work, which has mistakenly promoted the idea that fringe hate groups are a rising threat.

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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 8:57pm

R_P wrote:
An awful lot of people here? A bit of a hyperbole, n'est pas? Oh, and a nice ad lib too. I like the "personal touch."

Les mots que vous cherchez sont "ad hominem", je pense.

And no I don't think so, but I'll leave a perusing of the forum as an exercise to the reader. And regular posters here (and you're as regular a poster as we have) drip hatred, just generally not directed at protected classes.

The FBI is only relevant for its similarity. Similarity doesn't require something to be identical (in purpose). Vilification (even within the bounds of legality) is sufficient for the SPLC. Not for the FBI: "Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

I'm quite grateful the SPLC could only directly damage my reputation (and indirectly put me at risk for one of their fans to decide I'm fair game) and not put me in prison. I'm rather fond of the freedom of speech and civil liberties. That used to be a priority at SPLC as well.

If opposing a policy goal of some group is vilification then anyone who has an opinion is guilty; opposing gay marriage was enough to get a group on their list. Well, a group that couldn't effectively fight back anyway. They didn't list, say, the LDS church.

I don't think any pragmatic organization is interested in being sued into oblivion, regardless of principles.

Half a gigabuck in the bank means they aren't going to be sued anywhere near oblivion even if they lost, and defamation suits by people deemed public figures are notoriously hard to prove. They are, after all, pretty successful lawyers.

Good enough lawyers that they didn't want to subject themselves to the discovery process and what it might reveal about them. After caving on the Nawaz case they quietly scrapped their entire Journalist's Manual: Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists project.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 2:43pm

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Well that's a relief, otherwise an awful lot of people here would be hate groups. You included.

The FBI definition of hate crime involves motive...for a crime. If the organizations they list aren't advocating criminal conduct the FBI definition isn't relevant.

Most definitions of hate groups hinge on advocacy of violence. SPLC lumps in political advocacy with its definitions because it pumps up the numbers and makes for a better headline. And they have occasionally (when facing someone with deep enough pockets to sue them for libel) backed off; hardly a principled position when you consider how deep their own pockets are.
 
An awful lot of people here? A bit of a hyperbole, n'est pas? Oh, and a nice ad lib too. I like the "personal touch."

The FBI is only relevant for its similarity. Similarity doesn't require something to be identical (in purpose). Vilification (even within the bounds of legality) is sufficient for the SPLC. Not for the FBI: "Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

I don't think any pragmatic organization is interested in being sued into oblivion, regardless of principles.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 1:57pm

R_P wrote:

What is a hate group?

The Southern Poverty Law Center defines a hate group as an organization that – based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities – has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. We do  not list individuals as hate groups, only organizations.

The organizations on our hate group list vilify others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity – prejudices that strike at the heart of our democratic values and fracture society along its most fragile fault lines.

The FBI uses similar criteria in its definition of a hate crime:
(A) criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.
We define a “group” as an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group. This may involve donating, paying membership dues or participating in activities such as meetings and rallies. Individual chapters of a larger organization are each counted separately, because the number indicates reach and organizing activity.


Well that's a relief
, otherwise an awful lot of people here would be hate groups. You included.

The FBI definition of hate crime involves motive...for a crime. If the organizations they list aren't advocating criminal conduct the FBI definition isn't relevant.

Most definitions of hate groups hinge on advocacy of violence. SPLC lumps in political advocacy with its definitions because it pumps up the numbers and makes for a better headline. And they have occasionally (when facing someone with deep enough pockets to sue them for libel) backed off; hardly a principled position when you consider how deep their own pockets are.
R_P

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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 11:35am

What is a hate group?

The Southern Poverty Law Center defines a hate group as an organization that – based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities – has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. We do  not list individuals as hate groups, only organizations.

The organizations on our hate group list vilify others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity – prejudices that strike at the heart of our democratic values and fracture society along its most fragile fault lines.

The FBI uses similar criteria in its definition of a hate crime:
(A) criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.
We define a “group” as an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group. This may involve donating, paying membership dues or participating in activities such as meetings and rallies. Individual chapters of a larger organization are each counted separately, because the number indicates reach and organizing activity.

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