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Posted: Aug 17, 2024 - 11:38am


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Posted: Jun 15, 2024 - 9:53am

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Understood.  However, he Trump did little to defend the country either.  He let the world Putin walk all over us. Do pardon the oversimplification.

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And what again were all the new things Putin started while Trump was in office ?
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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 4:30pm

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Understood.  However, he Trump did little to defend the country either.  He let the world Putin walk all over us. Do pardon the oversimplification.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 7:54am

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...This is where I remind everyone here that Trump was the most antiwar POTUS in my lifetime.

Jimmy Carter, president from 1977 to 1981,  never formally declared war or sought authorization to use force from Congress during his presidency.
 
Understood.  However, he did little to defend the country either.  He let the world walk all over us. Do pardon the oversimplification.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 7:41am

 kurtster wrote:
...This is where I remind everyone here that Trump was the most antiwar POTUS in my lifetime.

Jimmy Carter, president from 1977 to 1981,  never formally declared war or sought authorization to use force from Congress during his presidency.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 7:19am

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I strongly disagree with your first link and its overt bias.

The second one from the CFR.  You've got to be kidding.  Neocon central and you are citing them ?

I'm sticking to my story.

Shooting the messengers, ignoring the facts.

Stuck on (Fox) stupid alright.

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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 7:16am

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This makes the case for Trump's foreign policy.  Coexist with our enemies, not disrupt them and try to democratize them.  And the case for borders and national sovereignty. Live and let live.  It is not up to the US to overthrow evil dictators.  It is up to the people who are ruled by them to do that themselves.  Contain the "evil" to within the borders or country where it exists.  Invest in ourselves, defend ourselves and way of life and lead by example, not by the point of a spear. This is where I remind everyone here that Trump was the most antiwar POTUS in my lifetime.

Only one month ago. And not only "kinetic" wars: The Cost of Trump’s Trade War with China Is Still Adding Up
 
I strongly disagree with your first link and its overt bias.

The second one from the CFR.  You've got to be kidding.  Neocon central and you are citing them ?

I'm sticking to my story.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 7:06am

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This makes the case for Trump's foreign policy.  Coexist with our enemies, not disrupt them and try to democratize them.  And the case for borders and national sovereignty.

Live and let live.  It is not up to the US to overthrow evil dictators.  It is up to the people who are ruled by them to do that themselves.  Contain the "evil" to within the borders or country where it exists.  Invest in ourselves, defend ourselves and way of life and lead by example, not by the point of a spear.

This is where I remind everyone here that Trump was the most antiwar POTUS in my lifetime.

Only one month ago.

And not only "kinetic" wars: The Cost of Trump’s Trade War with China Is Still Adding Up
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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 6:57am

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Check this out:
American Messianism by Paul R. Grenier, at Landmarks. - The deck: “Evil, when we are in its power, is not felt as evil but as a necessity or even a duty.”
 
This makes the case for Trump's foreign policy.  Coexist with our enemies, not disrupt them and try to democratize them.  And the case for borders and national sovereignty.

Live and let live.  It is not up to the US to overthrow evil dictators.  It is up to the people who are ruled by them to do that themselves.  Contain the "evil" to within the borders or country where it exists.  Invest in ourselves, defend ourselves and way of life and lead by example, not by the point of a spear.

This is where I remind everyone here that Trump was the most antiwar POTUS in my lifetime.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2024 - 4:37am

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oh, I'm not defending Coca Cola in the least. But you were attacking America per se. Given that you are German, I'd first check your nation's own grubby record before smearing others.

And anyway, this nation-bashing approach is long obsolete. We live in a global village. Maybe we should start acting accordingly.

I just guess, you can't have it both ways, Bruce. One time (most often) it's world democracy at stake for you and the usual suspects need to be bombed, regardless of how many light-years away from American soil they live - and then, all of-a-sudden it's the global village that needs us to obey with some world-brotherhood ideas pulled somewhere from space, Swiss Davos, or not, you name it...

Check this out:
American Messianism by Paul R. Grenier, at Landmarks. - The deck: “Evil, when we are in its power, is not felt as evil but as a necessity or even a duty.”


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Posted: Jun 12, 2024 - 2:15am

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oh, I'm not defending Coca Cola in the least. But you were attacking America per se. Given that you are German, I'd first check your nation's own grubby record before smearing others.

And anyway, this nation-bashing approach is long obsolete. We live in a global village. Maybe we should start acting accordingly.
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Posted: Jun 12, 2024 - 2:10am

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Wonderful display of intellectual laziness. As though Germany weren't itself the progenitor of a shit-ton of damaging technologies and as for its democratic record.. well, I guess we are still working on that one.

I'm sure you can do better than that.
Unbottling the truth: Coca Cola’s role in plastic pollution

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Posted: Jun 12, 2024 - 12:10am

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Yeah, and Coca Cola has brought PCB to my baby's genepool on terrestrial scale - ubi quitous ly.
All hail to Umrica, great suppressor of humane values on Earth.
The greatest veil of "democracy" the world ever encountered in a fake dress, always pretending '— something to be —' in the name of private enrichment of a few VAMPIRICALS immune to such critique.

Meet the premium oligarchy, meditated as DEMOCRACY in a pre-enlightenment fantasy of civilization!



Wonderful display of intellectual laziness. As though Germany weren't itself the progenitor of a shit-ton of damaging technologies and as for its democratic record.. well, I guess we are still working on that one.



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Posted: Jun 11, 2024 - 3:12pm

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Yeah, and Coca Cola has brought PCB to my baby's genepool on terrestrial scale - ubi quitous ly.
All hail to Umrica, great suppressor of humane values on Earth.
The greatest veil of "democracy" the world ever encountered in a fake dress, always pretending '— something to be —' in the name of private enrichment of a few VAMPIRICALS immune to such critique.

Meet the premium oligarchy, meditated as DEMOCRACY in a pre-enlightenment fantasy of civilization!


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Posted: Jun 11, 2024 - 3:01pm

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Posted: May 24, 2024 - 12:49pm

The Raiding of Red Lobster
The bankrupt casual restaurant chain didn’t fail because of Endless Shrimp. Its problems date back to monopolist seafood conglomerates and a private equity play.

Shrimp segue
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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 1:48pm

More shrimp for sale.
Another example of how we cut corners with safety, equity and health for the sake of cheap product.

https://www.theoutlawocean.com...

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Posted: Mar 28, 2024 - 8:09am

Dollar General stores may be dirty, but at least they aren't India...which is getting some bad press lately (see coke and pepsi below):

The Associated Press reports on how, "with shrimp the leading seafood eaten in the United States, the largest supplier in this country is India, where the industry struggles with labor and environmental problems." The story notes that this week a new report as been released by the "Corporate Accountability Lab, a human rights legal group, that found workers face 'dangerous and abusive conditions'."

An excerpt:

"Many people in India struggle to survive amid endemic poverty, debt, and unemployment. The women AP spoke with said this work, despite the oppressive conditions, is their only chance to avoid starvation. The economic drivers go beyond shrimp, and beyond India, to issues of globalization and Western power.

"Desperately poor women told AP they weren’t paid overtime as mandated by law, in addition to not being paid India’s minimum wage. Some said they were locked inside guarded hostels when they weren’t peeling shrimp. The work was unsanitary to the point that workers’ hands were infected, and they lacked safety and hygiene protection required under Indian law. And it doesn’t meet U.S. legal food safety standards required for all seafood imports."

You can read the entire story here.

p.s., not that the 'average' consumer really cares, as long inflation doesn't drive up the cost of shrimp.




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Posted: Mar 26, 2024 - 12:02pm

From another site and perhaps a bit dense for this crowd, but...How little known Pharmacy Benefit Managers, owned by insurers including CVS and UnitedHealth, hurt the U.S. consumer. 
Interesting to note that the U.S. is only country with these PBMs
Five Ways that Big PBMs Hurt U.S. Healthcare–And How We Can Fix It
By Mark Cuban, Co-founder, Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drug Company

Why does my company—the Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drugs Company—exist?

In a drug channel dominated by three large pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs), how can a company launched in January 2022 be such a big part of the U.S. drug pricing conversation?

The answer is simple. The dominant three PBMs put stock price over health. Here are five of their greatest hits:

1. Zero transparency.

The number one rule when contracting with PBMs is that you don’t talk about the PBMs and their contracts. They prevent everyone–providers, manufacturers, employers, and non-affiliated pharmacies—from making public or discussing their pricing terms or any aspect of their contracts. If you do, they’re happy to sue you.
2. Magic names and specialty pharmacies.

The PBMs have decided to take the drugs they can charge the most for and call them “special.” But there’s nothing special about most of these drugs.

Many of these products are small molecule generic drugs. There’s nothing unique about the captive pharmacies they call special and force their customers to buy from. We’ve had patients tell us that they have been charged 100 times more for specialty drugs like Imatinib or Droxidopa than what they or their employers would pay on Cost Plus Drugs.
3. Rebate distortions.

I genuinely believe that CEOs do not understand how their healthcare costs work, particularly as it applies to the rebates they receive from their PBMs. They tend to look at rebates as cash paid by the drug manufacturers. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In reality, rebates are a way that PBMs destroy and distort employer plans at the expense of their employees. That’s because rebates are not paid by the drug manufacturers. They are paid by the company’s sickest and oldest employees.

These rebates could be used to reduce the employee deductibles or to actually pay for the cost of medicines. Instead, the companies keep deductibles higher by forcing sick and older employees to pay more out of pocket, using after-tax dollars.

Because specialty drugs are expensive, employees are likely to reach their deductible caps—while still facing out-of-pocket monthly copays for chronic illness medications.
4. Allowing rebates to determine formularies.

Rebates are also the reason big PBMs restrict the medications they allow to be filled.

PBMS often only reimburse drugs with significant rebates—and exclude drugs from the formulary that don’t have rebates. Why leave out a Humira biosimilar like YUSIMRY that is available on Cost Plus Drugs for a true price of $594, when you can charge an employer more than $8,000 per month for Humira?

Formularies should not exist. Doctors should decide what patients need access to, not the PBMs.
5. S———ing on independent pharmacies.

S———ing is the appropriate word to describe the financial abuse that we’ve heard about from non-captive pharmacies. I couldn’t find a better word.

These pharmacies have zero leverage, so when the PBM says they must pay a direct and indirect remuneration (DIR) fee that is calculated on a whim by the PBM, they must pay the fee. If a PBM decides to audit a pharmacy, it can invent issues, knowing the pharmacy can’t afford to fight.

I just talked to an independent pharmacist facing $200,000 in fines that is going to put them out of business. Another spoke publicly about how they were fined if a patient doesn’t pick up their medications within 30 days.

But it gets worse. These pharmacies buy their brand medications from distributors for a set price. When a patient brings in a prescription covered by Medicare Advantage, traditional Medicare, or an employer plan, the PBM may not fully reimburse the pharmacy for that claim.

The pharmacy, after putting up cash for the inventory and taking sales risk, is expected to lose money on that script. What do you think we’d say about that on Shark Tank? It’s gotten so bad that the smaller pharmacies are transferring brand scripts to the biggest chains—ending long-term patient relationships, risking that patient’s health, and losing front-of-the-house sales.
HOW WE CAN FIX U.S. HEALTHCARE

I can go on and on about the big three PBMs. They are everything that is wrong with this industry.

Here’s the crazy part: There is a fix. The federal government, states, and self-insured employers can stop doing business with the big three PBMs. There is not a single thing that those big three PBMs do that is unique or can’t be replaced by independent rebate-avoiding PBMs. State and federal agencies and big companies could switch out from those big PBMs and use their competitors. This would change an entire industry in less than five years.

Which brings us back to my original question: why is Cost Plus Drugs in business? It’s simple as well.

Everything that I just described has killed the trust that this country has in our healthcare system. Nobody trusts anything beyond their own doctor.

At Cost Plus Drugs, our product is trust. We believe that trust comes with transparency. Our Cost Plus Drugs business model is amazingly simple: We buy drugs and we sell drugs. No rebates, no magic, no complications. We keep our business simple, which allows us to keep our pricing so low.

Here’s how it works. Cost Plus Drugs carries 2,500 drugs. Our goal is to carry every single one that we’re legally able to carry. When you go to Cost Plus Drugs and find the medication that your doctor prescribed, we will show you our actual cost, what we truly pay for it, our markup of 15%, and the pharmacy fill and shipping fee of $10.

If you want to pick up your prescription at a nearby pharmacy, you can choose a pharmacy in our Team Cuban Card network for the same price, plus a fee that goes to the independent pharmacist. All of it is completely transparent for anyone to see at any time. In fact, we will happily send our complete price list to anyone anywhere, so you can see what our prices are.

Try asking that to one of the big three PBMs. The biggest players do everything possible to hide and obfuscate everything they do.

We can bring back trust and transform our system into one that we can once again be proud of. We simply need to introduce transparency—real transparency—and encourage government agencies and self-employed insurers to act in their own self-interest and do what’s best for the wellness of their employees and patients.

Unfortunately, Mark's suggestions are likely to never come to light. As another poster states:

I have so much respect for Mark Cuban taking on this cause, especially given all the choices he could make. Kudos.

So it brings me no joy to point out a few hard lessons I've learned over the last 15 or so years in pursuing similar goals but seeing little progress in the macro trends.

The four biggest lessons are perhaps these:

1) Downside risk. Even if all the things you say about PBMs are true and the HR department, CFO, and CEO agrees with you, you are asking them to fire the following:

- their benefit consultant who is likely in bed with 1 or all 3 big PBMs
- their health insurer who owns the PBM
- the specialty/mail order pharmacy that services many employees
- the ancillary programs offered by PBMs (MTM, adherence, etc)
- a bunch of other companies as partners that help with bells and whistles

Ripping the PBM out means a lot of disruption that could cause impacts to employees, their benefits, and introduce some unknowns by using an alternative.

2) Upside value. What in return does the employer get by switching to a standalone PBM? Save 10-20% on generic medications which represent 2%-3% of overall healthcare spend? This isn't that much. A PBM alternative would need to offer much greater savings across the board (and prove it). This is hard to do because for all their ills, the one concept that most everyone should understand is that scale means purchasing power. Thus the big 3 PBMs can get bigger rebates that smaller PBMs with fewer lives. Even if the PBMs don't pass them through, would you rather have 90% of 100K or 100% of 70K? While I am sure that some PBMs can save money over the Big 3, inevitably many need certain formulary restrictions or certain pharmacy changes in order to make the numbers work.

3) Vertical rules. PBMs were so smart to go vertical and integrate into insurance/pharmacy/provider stacks. It makes it so it's hard to "rip and replace" just the PBM without doing business with the same insurers. The bundled offering means the dollars can move between the two (and offer combined discounts) or that the insurer/benefit consultant doesn't have to play nice with the PBM. Why wouldn't you use the CVS PBM if you're going with Aetna or Evernorth if you're going with Cigna?

4) No leadership in the herd. If employers were serious, why have ALL the cooperative efforts to create alternative insurers/PBMs failed over the last 30 years? Where is the full stack solution of insurer/PBM/consultant that HR departments, CFOs, and CEOs can't wait to talk to? Let's face it: It doesn't exist. Yes, there are some bright spots in certain pieces of the puzzle that exist such as Mark Cuban Drug Co, Costco, and a few others but the full enchilada? No way. Meanwhile the HR department continues to act like Toby Flenderson and resign those contracts (which are below the market average for a company of their size ;).



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