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westslope

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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 9:17am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Afteer South Africa made their announcement, the Netherlands went back and looked at some cases from mid-November and found that they'd had Omicron already.


Thanks.

A foreign ministry statement also said the travel bans were "akin to punishing South Africa for its advanced genomic sequencing and the ability to detect new variants quicker".

"Excellent science should be applauded and not punished," it said.


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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 9:09am

 Lazy8 wrote:

it was first detected in South Africa because South Africa has really good biotech/medical labs. That doesn't mean it originated there 



Afteer South Africa made their announcement, the Netherlands went back and looked at some cases from mid-November and found that they'd had Omicron already.

westslope

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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 7:41am

 Lazy8 wrote:

We know very little about the Omicron strain, and a what we do know is distorted by the lenses we see it thru. For instance: it was first detected in South Africa because South Africa has really good biotech/medical labs. That doesn't mean it originated there (the first case we know about was from Botswana) or that it isn't already all over the world.

It looks really contagious but we don't know how deadly it will turn out to be or how effective the existing vaccines will be against it. We need to let the people who know what they're doing work.

Omicron: What the Data Really Show



Actually, it would seem that the symptoms of Omicron are rather mild judging from anecdotal evidence originating in South Africa and Israel.  The RSA has got lots of problems and yes, it does have high rates of HIV, but it also had great medical facilities and research during the Apartheid regime, and certainly compared to neighbours, continues to enjoy good medical facilities. 

The travel bans strike me as being driven by hyper-vigilant mass hysteria that will accomplish little in terms of public health.

One benefit is that gasoline prices have declined sharply.  President Biden and the Democrats just dodged a political bullet given the fanatical cheap energy entitlement that is widely shared in the USA.  Contrast that to the relative indifference of most Americans to collective health outcomes.  


P.S.  Good article!



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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 6:46am

 rgio wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:

...and that in fact the vaccine itself is setting up a tragic scenario where individuals become more vulnerable to variants of the virus over time and evolution. I sure hope I'm just being ignorant...

If you're suggesting that somehow vaccines are creating vulnerability, you should listen again (and relax).  Nobody knows for sure right now, but the people getting very sick and those dying from Delta are unvaccinated.  Every time one of them gets seriously ill, the chances of a mutation that will kill us all increase.  We are all more vulnerable because half of the world is unvaccinated...not the other way around.
 
I see, and I'll remember that...
rgio

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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 6:45am

 oldviolin wrote:

...and that in fact the vaccine itself is setting up a tragic scenario where individuals become more vulnerable to variants of the virus over time and evolution. I sure hope I'm just being ignorant...

If you're suggesting that somehow vaccines are creating vulnerability, you should listen again (and relax).  Nobody knows for sure right now, but the people getting very sick and those dying from Delta are unvaccinated.  Every time one of them gets seriously ill, the chances of a mutation that will kill us all increase.  We are all more vulnerable because half of the world is unvaccinated...not the other way around.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 6:30am

 miamizsun wrote:

the funkiness of the data? 
 
I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I get the distinct notion that all this talk, conjecture, and analysis is just going around in circles, and that in fact the vaccine itself is setting up a tragic scenario where individuals become more vulnerable to variants of the virus over time and evolution. I sure hope I'm just being ignorant...
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Posted: Nov 30, 2021 - 6:12am


the funkiness of the data? 
Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 29, 2021 - 9:03pm

We know very little about the Omicron strain, and a what we do know is distorted by the lenses we see it thru. For instance: it was first detected in South Africa because South Africa has really good biotech/medical labs. That doesn't mean it originated there (the first case we know about was from Botswana) or that it isn't already all over the world.

It looks really contagious but we don't know how deadly it will turn out to be or how effective the existing vaccines will be against it. We need to let the people who know what they're doing work.

Omicron: What the Data Really Show


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Posted: Nov 27, 2021 - 8:30pm

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
After reading this book, I will likely never trust the CDC again. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/03... "In January and February of 2020, hundreds of Americans in Wuhan, China,
were flown back to the U.S. Considering how many people had died of
COVID-19 in China at that point, it would have made sense to test those
Americans who were coming back. But according to Lewis and his sources,
then-CDC Director Robert Redfield refused to test them, saying it would
amount to doing research on imprisoned persons." Starting in the 70s, but deftly curated by Dumpster Fire. 
Bottom line: neither "control" nor "prevention." More like "posturing" and "pandering."
"Redfield is a particularly egregious example, but he's an expression of
a much bigger problem. And if you just say, 'oh, it's the Trump
administration' or 'oh, it's Robert Redfield,' you're missing the bigger
picture," Lewis says. "And the bigger picture is we as a society have
allowed institutions like the CDC to become very politicized. And this
is a larger pattern in the U.S. government. More and more jobs being
politicized, more and more people in these jobs being on shorter,
tighter leashes. More the kind of person who ends up in the job being
someone who is politically pleasing to whoever happens to be in the
White House. And so ... the conditions for Robert Redfield being in that
job were created long ago."
 
Remember who put that bobo in charge.
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Nov 27, 2021 - 7:42pm

After reading this book, I will likely never trust the CDC again.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/03...

"In January and February of 2020, hundreds of Americans in Wuhan, China,
were flown back to the U.S. Considering how many people had died of
COVID-19 in China at that point, it would have made sense to test those
Americans who were coming back. But according to Lewis and his sources,
then-CDC Director Robert Redfield refused to test them, saying it would
amount to doing research on imprisoned persons."

Starting in the 70s, but deftly curated by Dumpster Fire. 


Bottom line: neither "control" nor "prevention." More like "posturing" and "pandering."


"Redfield is a particularly egregious example, but he's an expression of
a much bigger problem. And if you just say, 'oh, it's the Trump
administration' or 'oh, it's Robert Redfield,' you're missing the bigger
picture," Lewis says. "And the bigger picture is we as a society have
allowed institutions like the CDC to become very politicized. And this
is a larger pattern in the U.S. government. More and more jobs being
politicized, more and more people in these jobs being on shorter,
tighter leashes. More the kind of person who ends up in the job being
someone who is politically pleasing to whoever happens to be in the
White House. And so ... the conditions for Robert Redfield being in that
job were created long ago."




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Posted: Nov 27, 2021 - 11:18am

Fully vaccinated in South Africa: 24%. Botswana: 20%.

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Posted: Nov 27, 2021 - 8:08am

 Steely_D wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:

here's a really good thread on the new variant (likely not as bad as people think it is)


Shhh. It's already an uphill battle to get people to take it seriously.
Downplaying the dangers has worked well so far, why change horses in mid-stream?

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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 10:21pm

 miamizsun wrote:

here's a really good thread on the new variant (likely not as bad as people think it is)


Shhh. It's already an uphill battle to get people to take it seriously.

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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 10:13pm

 R_P wrote:
Straw man 2. Nobody says anybody are fascists (unlike idiots and racists calling things communism) except you. Call it a shared (ideological) trait. There were some more there you might enjoy. “Virile hate has been replaced by feminine lamentation. But he who is unable to hate cannot love either. Fanatical love and hate—their fires kindle flames of freedom.”
 
Well you did address me as Adolf in your first response to me.  If that ain't calling someone a fascist I don't know what is.

Oh, and thanks for telling me how to define love and hate.

So what exactly does all this and the picture have to do with CV ?

The picture is clearly an attempt to call and link all haters of communism, racist and by your following extension, fascists.

Certainly follows the pattern of the current media / gov propaganda narrative.

Why else would you post something like that ?
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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 3:43pm

Merck says its antiviral pill is less effective in a final analysis.
The pharmaceutical company Merck said on Friday that in a final analysis of a clinical trial, its antiviral pill reduced the risk of hospitalization and death among high-risk Covid patients by 30 percent, down from an earlier estimate of 50 percent.

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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 11:43am

Contrarian Doctors: The Pandemic is Over, Again
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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 6:33am

miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 6:06am

here's a really good thread on the new variant (likely not as bad as people think it is)
people should read all of it

peace

 

rgio

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Posted: Nov 26, 2021 - 5:44am

The dow is off over 800 pre-market based on fears over the South African variant. 

What scientists know about the new variant, B.1.1.529.

Scientists are still unclear on how effective vaccines will be against the new variant flagged by a team in South Africa, which displays mutations that might resist neutralization. Only several dozen cases have been fully identified so far in South Africa, Botswana, Hong Kong and Israel.

The new variant, B.1.1.529, has a “very unusual constellation of mutations,” with more than 30 in the spike protein alone, according to Tulio de Oliveira, director of the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform.

On the ACE2 receptor — the protein that helps to create an entry point for the coronavirus to infect human cells — the new variant has 10 mutations. In comparison, the Beta variant has three and the Delta variant two, Mr. de Oliveira said.

The variant shares similarities with the Lambda and Beta variants, which are associated with an innate evasion of immunity, said Richard Lessells, an infectious diseases specialist at the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform.

“All these things are what give us some concern that this variant might have not just enhanced transmissibility, so spread more efficiently, but might also be able to get around parts of the immune system and the protection we have in our immune system,” Dr. Lessells said.

The new variant has largely been detected among young people, the cohort that also has the lowest vaccination rate in South Africa. Just over a quarter of those ages between 18 and 34 in South Africa are vaccinated, said Dr. Joe Phaahla, the country’s minister of health.

While cases of the variant are mainly concentrated in the country’s economic hub, particularly in the country’s administrative capital, Pretoria, it is “only a matter of time” before the virus spreads across the country as schools close and families prepare to travel for the holiday season, Dr. Phaahla said.


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Posted: Nov 25, 2021 - 11:39pm

 kurtster wrote:
Well since you circled back to the picture as the only way to defend yourself, let's talk about it.

At least the color picture as I cannot speak about when and where the b & w is from.

I know the color picture.  It was taken in Huntington Beach, California a block or so from the Huntington Pier in the spring of this year.  Next town north of my home turf.  Certainly Surf City, USA is not a fascist stronghold.  These are people fed up with the MF'ing restrictions coming from Sacramento that kept the beaches closed.

But you know a fascist when you see one, right ?  While the lady and all the others may be a lot of things, they certainly are not fascists.  You need to lower your mask below your eyes so you can see what is really going on.

Another epic FAIL. 
{#Clap}

Straw man 2. Nobody says anybody are fascists (unlike idiots and racists calling things communism) except you. Call it a shared (ideological) trait. There were some more there you might enjoy.

“Virile hate has been replaced by feminine lamentation. But he who is unable to hate cannot love either. Fanatical love and hate—their fires kindle flames of freedom.”

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