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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 5:49pm

haresfur wrote:

They are not on the same sides of a coalition they are all in a coalition with the rest of the democrats, though. Uneasy bedfellows or something.

Ok, got it. I am not a Manchin fan. I think he leveraged his newfound power because of the razor-thin Democratic majority to promote himself. He knew he was likely to lose his Senate reelection bid this year to Judge. So he announced he was not running, and then flirted with being a presidential candidate for the No Labels folk.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 5:28pm
steeler wrote: I would not include Manchin in a coalition with Sanders and Warren. They are not on the same sides of a coalition they are all in a coalition with the rest of the democrats, though. Uneasy bedfellows or something.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 4:38pm

haresfur wrote:

I've previously said my opposition to giving too much power to minor groups, with Israel as the example. Australia sort of addresses the issue with rank choice voting and 12 senators from each state and 2 from each of the internal territories. This means that it is reasonably easy for minor parties to be elected in the senate but still limits influence at the house level where there are currently, I think, 3 parties and a coalition of socially liberal, fiscally conservative, anti-corruption, dominantly women independents.

I think that the US effectively has a coalition with the likes of Sanders, Warren, and Manchin in the democrats, and what's left of the actual conservatives in the republicans.

I would not include Manchin in a coalition with Sanders and Warren.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 4:31pm

islander wrote:

Okay by me. I still favor ranked choice, but I see a lot of value in forcing coalitions for governance.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 7:51am

In many ways, Kennedy is an ideal candidate for both the far left and far right, and even the angry, ignored middle...certainly a no-less flawed candidate than the two established wankers.
The cover ups by big biz and gov, that danger the environment and people, leftwing policies like increasing taxes to take care of the poorâ¦and the conspiracies / coverups the gov does/doesnât participate in here and abroad, securing the border, gun rights, denounces mediaâ¦and like trump, an insider/outside who has trouble keeping his mouth shut, but unlike trump, he really wants to change the govâ¦

Squint, and you can see a parable of Kennedyâs decision to run against the Democrats, the party of his family going back to his great-grandfather. Duty is his professed reason for challenging Biden for the Democratic nomination and then launching his independent candidacy last October. (His path to the ticket was unfairly blocked by the dnc, he alleges.) âI never intended to run for president,â Kennedy avers. But he âsaw things happening to my party and my country that made me frightened about the world that my children are going to grow up inâ.
Under Biden, Kennedy now says, the Democrats are a corrupt party of war, corporate control and censorship. The censorship he is talking about is partly of him: he alleges that Biden was personally responsible for some of his social-media suspensions. He claims that the prospect of four more years of Biden, who keeps a bust of Kennedyâs father in the Oval Office, worries him as much as a second term for Donald Trump. JFK and Bobby senior âwould have walked awayâ from todayâs Democratic Party, he believes. In a public statement last October, four of his siblings disagreed forcefully.

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 7:26am

kurtster wrote:

I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.

Proportional representation would require a constitutional change, a pretty extensive one. Other forms of electoral reform (ranked choice voting, assigning electoral college votes by vote proportion rather than winner-take-all, etc.) could be accomplished at the state level.

And should be, but that's a whole 'nother argument.

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 12:23am
kurtster wrote: I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change. Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please. Thank you in advance. ha, no idea, mate. Not my remit.

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 12:20am
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: An electoral revolution? High time you guys installed some kind of MMP, I reckon. It's no cure-all, but it might help. I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change. Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please. Thank you in advance.

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Posted: Mar 19, 2024 - 9:15pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

An electoral revolution?

In 1993 New Zealanders voted in a referendum to change their voting system from the traditional first past the post (FPP) method to mixed member proportional representation (MMP). This was the most dramatic change to the country's electoral system since the introduction of women's suffrage exactly 100 years before. How and why did this electoral revolution come about?

The origins of electoral reform lay in the gradual breakdown of public trust and confidence in politicians, Parliament and the simple certainties of the old two-party system. This process began in the 1950s and 1960s and gathered momentum in the 1970s and 1980s, decades marked by economic uncertainty and the emergence of new social and political movements.

Sound familiar? The current support for Trump feels so reminiscent to what NZ was like under Muldoon (who was a lamb compared to Trump but also incited violence and ran on a platform of law and order to quell the very violence he instigated). The experience was bad enough for us to introduce MMP as soon as he lost power.

But it also makes me think of what my American professor said back in the 80's: The Americans generally oscillate between the parties regardless of who is running or what their platform is. It is part of the country's DNA.

This is about the only explanation I can find for Trump still enjoying such high polling numbers.
High time you guys installed some kind of MMP, I reckon. It's no cure-all, but it might help.

Okay by me. I still favor ranked choice, but I see a lot of value in forcing coalitions for governance.

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Posted: Mar 19, 2024 - 9:10pm

An electoral revolution?

In 1993 New Zealanders voted in a referendum to change their voting system from the traditional first past the post (FPP) method to mixed member proportional representation (MMP). This was the most dramatic change to the country's electoral system since the introduction of women's suffrage exactly 100 years before. How and why did this electoral revolution come about?

The origins of electoral reform lay in the gradual breakdown of public trust and confidence in politicians, Parliament and the simple certainties of the old two-party system. This process began in the 1950s and 1960s and gathered momentum in the 1970s and 1980s, decades marked by economic uncertainty and the emergence of new social and political movements.

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Posted: Mar 17, 2024 - 11:43am
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Posted: Mar 15, 2024 - 12:59pm
AIPAC uncorks $100 million war chest to sink progressive candidates Building on a successful playbook from 2022, AIPAC and other aligned groups are picking their targets â many more of them this time.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:49am
oldviolin wrote: I couldn't decide between Toad and Trime Taveler, so I didn't... I expect the write-ins will be interesting should we make it to November. Hey, I'm joking! I'm quite optimistic, though not about temporal things... Undecided...and begrudgingly optimistic

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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:20am

black321 wrote:

Current candidates:

List of Democratic candidates

Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.
Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023. She withdrew from the race on February 7, 2024, and re-entered the race on February 28.

Other Democratic candidates

Jason Palmer (D), a businessman, announced his candidacy on November 10, 2023.
Cenk Uygur (D), a media commentator and founder of The Young Turks, announced his candidacy on October 12, 2023. At the time of the announcement, it was not clear that Uygur met the natural born citizen requirement in Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution.

List of Republican candidates

Donald Trump (R), former U.S. President, announced his candidacy on November 15, 2022

Third party or independent candidates
See also: List of 2024 registered Green presidential candidates and List of 2024 registered Libertarian presidential candidates

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Independent), withdrew from the Democratic primary and announced he would run as an independent on October 9, 2023.
Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party), a candidate in the 2022 Georgia U.S. Senate race, announced his candidacy on April 4, 2023.
Jill Stein (Green Party), the 2016 Green Party presidential nominee, announced her candidacy on November 9, 2023.
Cornel West (Independent), philosopher and activist, announced his candidacy on June 5, 2023.

I couldn't decide between Toad and Trime Taveler, so I didn't...
I expect the write-ins will be interesting should we make it to November. Hey, I'm joking! I'm quite optimistic, though not about temporal things...

black321

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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:06am

Current candidates:

List of Democratic candidates

Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.^<32>
Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023.^<42> She withdrew from the race on February 7, 2024, and re-entered the race on February 28.^<6>^<4>

Other Democratic candidates

Jason Palmer (D), a businessman, announced his candidacy on November 10, 2023.^<48>
Cenk Uygur (D), a media commentator and founder of The Young Turks, announced his candidacy on October 12, 2023. At the time of the announcement, it was not clear that Uygur met the natural born citizen requirement in Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution.^<19>

List of Republican candidates

Donald Trump (R), former U.S. President, announced his candidacy on November 15, 2022

Third party or independent candidates
See also: List of 2024 registered Green presidential candidates and List of 2024 registered Libertarian presidential candidates

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Independent), withdrew from the Democratic primary and announced he would run as an independent on October 9, 2023.^<21>
Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party), a candidate in the 2022 Georgia U.S. Senate race, announced his candidacy on April 4, 2023.^<38>
Jill Stein (Green Party), the 2016 Green Party presidential nominee, announced her candidacy on November 9, 2023.^<56>
Cornel West (Independent), philosopher and activist, announced his candidacy on June 5, 2023.^<28>

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Posted: Mar 5, 2024 - 4:26pm
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rgio

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:27am
miamizsun wrote: there's a drop down by state on that page AZ GA MI NV PA WI Yup...the edit to my post below... Trump flips AZ and GA to win. It's January... a lot is going to happen before people vote.

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:24am

rgio wrote:

National polls are pointless.

It comes down to 6 states...the same 6 as 2020. The question becomes, have the MAGA folks put enough local "leadership" (used very loosely) in place to find 11,861 votes....or eliminate the duplicate dead people voting... etc. If not, we'll have another fixed election. If so, it doesn't matter.

there's a drop down by state on that page

AZ
GA
MI
NV
PA
WI

rgio

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:09am

miamizsun wrote:

538 Polls - President General Election

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