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Posted: Jun 30, 2022 - 11:31am

Privacy in the Wake of Dobbs: How Safe Are Your Medical Records and Digital Data If Prosecutors or Bounty Hunters from No-Choice States Come Knocking?
(...) Per the NYT, which discusses the Texas bounty statute; the basic concept applies to similar initiatives now being mulled by other no-choice states:
The new law in Texas effectively banning most abortions has ignited widespread controversy and debate, in part because of the mechanism it uses to enforce the restrictions: deputizing ordinary people to sue those involved in performing abortions and giving them a financial incentive to do so.

The law establishes a kind of bounty system. If these vigilante plaintiffs are successful, the law allows them to collect cash judgments of $10,000 — and their legal fees — from those they sue. If they lose, they do not have to pay the defendants’ legal costs.

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The enforcement provision has generated backing from those seeking to limit abortion rights but confusion and criticism among supporters of abortion rights.

“When the law first came out and I was reading it, I thought I was missing something,” said Mary Ziegler, a professor at the Florida State University College of Law who specializes in the history of reproductive law. “It almost seemed like anyone could sue anyone — and that didn’t seem right. But it was. It really is that extraordinary.”
Now, the incentives the Texas law and the model legislation establish is based on the same concept behind class action suits, which incentivize attorneys to pursue certain cases. But it’s not altogether unusual in other contexts. IIRC, California has a consumer protection that allows for similar third party suits. These provisions that incentivize third parties to purse legal claims produce an in terrorem effect. A state may pass a statute but doesn’t have to expend resources on enforcement; it relies on third parties to produce results. that accord with the policy preferences of state legislators.

What is unusual is that these state abortion statutes essentially incentivize stalking.

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Posted: Jun 29, 2022 - 3:02pm

 islander wrote:


Finally, you've figured his fiendish plan, foiling his future desire for any fun.


Spidey sense picking up on those men who tend to word-salad justify forced birth, with zero science and biology to back them up, tend to be those 

                  who aren't getting any action and want women punished for having sex. Because its not with them.

 
Men with game and Live partners understand full well the repercussions of sex. Donnie's Dingleberries think they oughta just be able to 'grab' genitalia when they want it without consequences. It's the clitoral-friendly crowd that will win this one.




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Posted: Jun 29, 2022 - 2:24pm

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My money, my choice! (joking, of course)








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Posted: Jun 29, 2022 - 2:12pm

My money, my choice! (joking, of course)


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Posted: Jun 29, 2022 - 1:30pm

LOL. It tickles me how so many men are truly oblivious as to how this will affect them.
Court ordered Paternity DNA is a thing, gentlemen. Pretend to turn a blind eye. But you can bet the Republicans' ideas of what's uppermost in Voters Minds will dramatically change.
Barely the beginning of July 2022.  Guess how many times the words: "I'm late" or "I'm pregnant" will come up just by the end of August.
Not just thousands, but Millions.

Husbands and Fathers of Daughters will begin to hear that phrase too often enough to slash the Republican Party's self described 'priorities.'

It's a win-win for States to fund State agencies and Overwhelmed Foster Care Systems. 
Did you really think that Republicans would force their aristo-political class to pay to raise these unplanned babies? Did you really believe the wealthy class gives an excrement about the average dude in America?

Aw sweetcakes. You're so gullible.

"Ti-i-i-ime is on my side, yes it is..." — Rolling Stones



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Posted: Jun 28, 2022 - 8:46am


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Posted: Jun 28, 2022 - 6:16am

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Deny that.  Every other word out of your mouth is an F bomb ...


Finally, you've figured his fiendish plan, foiling his future desire for any fun.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2022 - 6:12am

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Deny that.  Every other word out of your mouth is an F bomb ...



  Your point being?
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 11:09pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Not true at any level. To quote R_D ... Fuck you ... (and the horse you rode in on).
Leave me out of your denialism, you miserable fuck.
 
Red_Dragon wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

There is no and never was a constitutional right to an abortion.  There is and always has been a constitutional right to carry or bear arms.  It is a first class right.  That right does not end at the front door of one's home.  It extends outside beyond the home as well.  That is the essence of the ruling.

The Constitution is designed to limit the government's ability to limit the rights of the citizens.  Not the other way around.


So, make sure those kids are born so that they can be slaughtered in second grade. Fuck you.
 

Deny that.  Every other word out of your mouth is an F bomb ...
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 9:32pm

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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 9:12pm

 kurtster wrote:

Not true at any level.

To quote R_D ... Fuck you ... (and the horse you rode in on).



I won't go so far as to claim that you hate Obama because he's black but I can't recall your posting anything complimentary about the man. You seem to go out of your way to criticize him, though. IIRC you view the bailout of the economy and the Big Three automakers on Obama's watch as a Wall Street bailout with no benefit for the average American. And the ACA is a big sop for insurance companies.

Another case in point: your question about why Obama didn't push for federal law on abortion rights. Let's blame Barack! A shame you didn't try to address my points about those times btw. Were you in a coma back then, Kurt? Have you forgotten what the hell happened or are you just sticking to what Donnie and Tucker are telling you?

I also consider Trump's hatred of Obama and your knee-jerk adherence to Trump's views. So no, you ain't fooling no one.

Oh, and right back at ya, cowboy.



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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 9:00pm

 kurtster wrote:

Not true at any level.

To quote R_D ... Fuck you ... (and the horse you rode in on).


Leave me out of your denialism, you miserable fuck.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 8:17pm

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 But Obama's a black guy whom Trump hates so Kurt hates him too.
 
Not true at any level.

To quote R_D ... Fuck you ... (and the horse you rode in on).
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 5:07pm

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Yes, they should have, even if it would have meant we'd be listening to you and your fellow minions screeching about government overreach and states' rights.  Frankly, they also underestimated the extent of fascism in this country, which is likely another reason for their lack of action.


Democrats in Congress are not nearly as monolithic and sheep-like as their Republican counterparts. An attempt at passing federal law permitting abortion would have split the party. And why would Obama try to touch that third-rail issue when Roe v. Wade stood and SCOTUS was not yet lousy with lying idiots like Barrett and  Crybaby Kavanaugh?

Finally, perhaps Kurt doesn't remember that Obama was pretty f*ckin' busy trying to save the American economy from complete collapse. Dubya's Secretary of Treasury (and former chairman of Goldman Sachs) Hank Paulson could tell Kurt all about that.

Oh, and Obama got the ACA passed. But Obama's a black guy whom Trump hates so Kurt hates him too.


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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 3:35pm

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I think there are many of us who fall into that group!

.   
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 2:30pm

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Yes, they should have, even if it would have meant we'd be listening to you and your fellow minions screeching about government overreach and states' rights.  Frankly, they also underestimated the extent of fascism in this country, which is likely another reason for their lack of action.

I think there are many of us who fall into that group!


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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 2:12pm

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my last thought on this subject ...

If this was such an important issue to democrats, why did they not pass a law in Congress during the Obama administration when they had a super majority and passage would be guaranteed ?

Obviously, to me, they had more to gain by keep making it an issue than by resolving it.

Have fun.  I'm going back to playing with music.



Yes, they should have, even if it would have meant we'd be listening to you and your fellow minions screeching about government overreach and states' rights.  Frankly, they also underestimated the extent of fascism in this country, which is likely another reason for their lack of action.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 11:37am

 R_P wrote:
It then follows that some states can't have IVF anymore either.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 10:54am

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I'm good with infanticide if a reasonable of the citizenry also approves of infanticide.  But if the fellow citizens oppose infanticide, I am fine with the restriction.

As for erecting barriers to medically safe abortions I strongly oppose for a whole slew of personal, moral, ethical, collective security and economic reasons.  Human capital is so critical in today's economy that the quality of child rearing and education is just as or more important than ever. Presumably wanted, planned children stand a better chance.  



The treatment for An Ectopic pregnancy  is abortion.

The treatment for a Septic Uterus  is abortion.

The treatment for a miscarriage your body won't completely release  is abortion.

If you can't get these abortions, you die.

YOU DIE.



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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 10:42am

Many quivers can be used to fight back against this assault on women's rights. Now the SCOTUS has jettisoned personal privacy and body autonomy, we can move to legislate court ordered paternity dna child support - married or not. If biology dictates forced birth, then it can also force financial assistance.

No one wants baby mama's parents to show up and say, "Hey, I have results your son is this situation's co-producer, and I'm going to solicit the court to force him to help finance this project one way or the other."

Just the fear of that happening to one's son may mean stepping up the sex ed.
It may make young men think twice about unprotected sex.
It may encourage husbands to make that vasectomy appointment.
When testicles are as nervous as ovaries — support, finances and creative solutions are immediate.

Responsibility in the 21st century. It isn't just for girls anymore.

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