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Posted: Sep 22, 2023 - 7:21am

 kurtster wrote:


And it went downhill from there.

Amazingly, my remark about Biden / Trump and Clinton / Trump has been 100% ignored.

Instead, the remark with the least meaning has been attacked and analyzed 8 ways to Sunday.  Musta struck a nerve there or something.

I presume because no one wants to admit to their justification for still supporting Biden, which is still the only justification I have seen put forth for continuing to support Biden.

I'm done on this.




Poor you. It's almost like you aren't being taken seriously. 
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 4:07pm

 rgio wrote:

So Kurt is defending his 3 nominees...and Trump's not.

In an interview Sunday, Trump said on NBC’s Meet the Press that he thought a Republican primary rival, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, had made a “terrible mistake” by signing a law that bans abortion at six weeks, before most women know they are pregnant. His rambling remarks also suggested support for a federal ban on abortion: “What’s going to happen is you’re going to come up with a number of weeks or months. You’re going to come up with a number that’s going to make people happy … I would sit down with both sides and I’d negotiate something, and we’ll end up with peace on that issue for the first time in 52 years.”
In Trump world...suggesting he's the guy who can fix this...after throwing gasoline on the fire... is just another day in the office.

Can we NOW agree it wasn't an accomplishment...when the guy who did it denies responsibility?

Depends where you stand. Both pandering to/appeasing the reactionary religious right and fans of FedSoc is an accomplishment of sorts. Cui bono?

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:47pm

 kurtster wrote:


And it went downhill from there.

Amazingly, my remark about Biden / Trump and Clinton / Trump has been 100% ignored.

Instead, the remark with the least meaning has been attacked and analyzed 8 ways to Sunday.  Musta struck a nerve there or something.

I presume because no one wants to admit to their justification for still supporting Biden, which is still the only justification I have seen put forth for continuing to support Biden.

I'm done on this.



More victimhood.


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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:42pm

 Steely_D wrote:
 kcar wrote:
Oh and law, seeing as how this pointless debate seemed to start with your disapproval of Ketanji Brown Jackson's response during her confirmation hearing. 

Hard to define a real start, but I think it was in response to the picture that summed up Trump's unequivocal failures.
Which wasn't a real surprise to anyone, of course, but putting them all together sometimes is a good reminder of the magnitude of his failed single term.
 
You are correct sir as to the beginning.

kurtster wrote:
Steely_D wrote:
 
Yeah, ok.

But as y'all say that Biden kept Trump out of the WH, we say that Trump kept Hillary out of the WH ...

Oh, and that SCOTUS thing was pretty good, too.
 

And it went downhill from there.

Amazingly, my remark about Biden / Trump and Clinton / Trump has been 100% ignored.

Instead, the remark with the least meaning has been attacked and analyzed 8 ways to Sunday.  Musta struck a nerve there or something.

I presume because no one wants to admit to their justification for still supporting Biden, which is still the only justification I have seen put forth for continuing to support Biden.

I'm done on this.


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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:35pm

 R_P wrote:
Trump Is the Reason Women Can’t Get Abortions
The former president wants you to believe he is a moderate on abortion. He isn’t.

So Kurt is defending his 3 nominees...and Trump's not.

In an interview Sunday, Trump said on NBC’s Meet the Press that he thought a Republican primary rival, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, had made a “terrible mistake” by signing a law that bans abortion at six weeks, before most women know they are pregnant. His rambling remarks also suggested support for a federal ban on abortion: “What’s going to happen is you’re going to come up with a number of weeks or months. You’re going to come up with a number that’s going to make people happy … I would sit down with both sides and I’d negotiate something, and we’ll end up with peace on that issue for the first time in 52 years.”
In Trump world...suggesting he's the guy who can fix this...after throwing gasoline on the fire... is just another day in the office.

Can we NOW agree it wasn't an accomplishment...when the guy who did it denies responsibility?
kcar

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:29pm

Suck it, Donnie.

EXCLUSIVE: Federal Judge Orders 9 Hour Trump Deposition in Michael Cohen Case

The federal judge overseeing Donald Trump’s frivolous $500 million civil lawsuit against his former attorney Michael Cohen ordered that the disgraced ex-president must show up to be deposed on October 3rd at the time and location of Cohen’s choosing.

On Tuesday, we reported that Cohen had filed a new motion to compel Trump to provide the location and time for the October 3rd deposition.

Trump refused.

Consequently, Cohen and his legal team now hold all the cards, and the judge has given them free range to depose Trump for a maximum of 9 hours, Cohen revealed Thursday on the MeidasTouch Network’s Political Beatdown podcast.

...

Michael Cohen said that Trump is bringing in another attorney and plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment during the deposition so as to not incriminate himself in a separate case in which he is currently involved.

Cohen noted how unusual it is for anyone to invoke the Fifth in a civil case, let alone the plaintiff who brought the case. “So again, I want to sort of talk about for a split second the unusual nature of this type of a scenario. Have you ever really heard of somebody taking the Fifth in a civil case that they are the plaintiff on? And the answer is no. The answer is no. I don't even know how one could think of another scenario outside of this where something like this would even happen.”

While the Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,” taking the Fifth in civil litigation has different implications. A witness's invocation of the Fifth Amendment in civil litigation may give rise to an adverse inference “when independent evidence exists of the fact to which the party refuses to answer.”






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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:07pm

Trump Is the Reason Women Can’t Get Abortions
The former president wants you to believe he is a moderate on abortion. He isn’t.
steeler

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:06pm

 kurtster wrote:

So that makes you the victim, of what ? Me ?

There are no victims here.  Just your endless pursuit of a circle jerk.

Learn to read and comprehend. You were acting like a victim and you are continuing to do so — per usual. 

Try to stop playing fast and loose with the facts and the truth. I’m not holding my breath.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 3:01pm

 steeler wrote:
Sheeeeeshhhhh, yourself. You’re not the victim here.
 
So that makes you the victim, of what ? Me ?

There are no victims here.  Just your endless pursuit of a circle jerk.
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 2:21pm

 kurtster wrote:
I thought that the action itself was a success. A goal stated and a goal achieved. In the old days, stating a goal and achieving it was considered a successful action. You want to discuss the merits of the results of achieving that goal.

During Trump's campaign he made the SCOTUS and appointing judges in general a centerpiece, a high priority goal. He stated why, he even posted a list a candidates. It was very purposeful and transparent. And he succeeded in achieving that goal. He said what he was going to do and delivered the goods. That is a big deal in politics most would say. You ignore that act of in itself and want to go further in order to minimize that achievement is my conclusion.

He filled a ton of vacancies that went neglected and unfilled during Obama's years. It is the SCOTUS and the other vacancies. Sorry I forgot to include all the long standing vacancies that were also part of the plan. But then again, I was only responding to a trolling meme, not going much deeper than the meme itself. Yet you and others want to make a big deal out of it. Sheeessshhhhhhhhhh uz.

Anymore questions


Sheeeeeshhhhh, yourself. You’re not the victim here.

I never spoke of anything other than the three Supreme Court appointments. Trump did inherit one vacancy. As I explained — apparently to deaf ears — one cannot credit a President simply for filling Supreme Court vacancies that arise during his term. Nominating a candidate to fill a vacancy is part of the job. The quality of the nominees is what matters.  You keep saying that he stated what he was going to do and did it without saying what it is that he said he was going to do other than fill vacancies.
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 2:10pm

 kcar wrote:
Oh and law, seeing as how this pointless debate seemed to start with your disapproval of Ketanji Brown Jackson's response during her confirmation hearing. 

Hard to define a real start, but I think it was in response to the picture that summed up Trump's unequivocal failures.
Which wasn't a real surprise to anyone, of course, but putting them all together sometimes is a good reminder of the magnitude of his failed single term.

kcar

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 1:29pm

 kurtster wrote:

Bullshit.  A woman is the adult female of the human species.  Woman and womanly are not the same.
{#Cowboy}


Right. I guess we all forgot about your deep education in biology, physiology, etc. Oh and law, seeing as how this pointless debate seemed to start with your disapproval of Ketanji Brown Jackson's response during her confirmation hearing. 

Don't go changin''...

kurtster

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 12:53pm

 kcar wrote:
Kurt, stop being such a parrot for right-wing jackasses. And try reading a little more widely. 

 

But like Jordan-Young, Richardson emphasized that biology does not offer a simple or singular answer to the question of what defines a woman.

"As is so often the case, science cannot settle what are really social questions," she said. "In any particular case of sex categorization, whether in law or in science, it is necessary to build a definition of sex particular to context."

 

 
Bullshit.  A woman is the adult female of the human species.  Woman and womanly are not the same.
{#Cowboy}
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 12:40pm

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
   At least I brought up an actual definition to be considered as opposed to guess what Steeler's actual meaning of "success" since he never clearly defined it.
. . .

That is so wrong. I asked you why you thought Trump’s appointments were successes. After a few exchanges, you said the success was that Trump did what he said he was going to do in terms of appointing Justices.

When I asked what that was, you never answered.


By contrast, I explained in some detail why I thought a successful appointment could not be divorced from the subsequent performance of the Justice. You did not address that. Now, you characterize our exchanges as you being straightforward and my being evasive. Anyone reading our exchanges can see that is false, if not delusional.
 
I thought that the action itself was a success.  A goal stated and a goal achieved.  In the old days, stating a goal and achieving it was considered a successful action.  You want to discuss the merits of the results of achieving that goal.

During Trump's campaign he made the SCOTUS and appointing judges in general a centerpiece, a high priority goal.  He stated why, he even posted a list a candidates.  It was very purposeful and transparent.  And he succeeded in achieving that goal. He said what he was going to do and delivered the goods.  That is a big deal in politics most would say. You ignore that act of in itself and want to go further in order to minimize that achievement is my conclusion.

He filled a ton of vacancies that went neglected and unfilled during Obama's years.  It is the SCOTUS and the other vacancies.  Sorry I forgot to include all the long standing vacancies that were also part of the plan.  But then again, I was only responding to a trolling meme, not going much deeper than the meme itself.  Yet you and others want to make a big deal out of it.  Sheeessshhhhhhhhhh uz.

Anymore questions ?

kcar

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 6:06am

Kurt, stop being such a parrot for right-wing jackasses. And try reading a little more widely. 

Marsha Blackburn asked Ketanji Brown Jackson to define 'woman.' Science says there's no simple answer.

Scientists, gender law scholars and philosophers of biology said Jackson's response was commendable, though perhaps misleading. It's useful, they say, that Jackson suggested science could help answer Blackburn's question, but they note that a competent biologist would not be able to offer a definitive answer either. Scientists agree there is no sufficient way to clearly define what makes someone a woman, and with billions of women on the planet, there is much variation.

"I don't want to see this question punted to biology as if science can offer a simple, definitive answer," said Rebecca Jordan-Young, a scientist and gender studies scholar at Barnard College whose work explores the relationships between science and the social hierarchies of gender and sexuality. "The rest of her answer was more interesting and important. She said 'as a judge, what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and I decide.' In other words, she said context matters – which is true in both biology and society. I think that's a pretty good answer for a judge."

'There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman'

Blackburn tweeted after the exchange that "this is a simple question," and called Jackson's response "a major red flag."

But Jordan-Young said she sees Jackson's answer, particularly the second half, reflecting the necessity of nuance. While traditional notions of sex and gender suggest a simple binary – if you are born with a penis, you are male and identify as a man and if you are born with a vagina, you are female and identify as a woman – the reality, gender experts say, is more complex.

"There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman. There's not even a singular biological answer to the question of 'what is a female,'" Jordan-Young said.

There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, Jordan-Young said, and the different markers don’t always align.

Sarah Richardson, a Harvard scholar, historian and philosopher of biology who focuses on the sciences of sex and gender and their policy dimensions, said Jackson's answer accurately reflects legal practice. While U.S. law remains an unsettled arena for the conceptualization and definition of sex, it frequently grounds sex categorization in biological evidence and reasoning.

But like Jordan-Young, Richardson emphasized that biology does not offer a simple or singular answer to the question of what defines a woman.

"As is so often the case, science cannot settle what are really social questions," she said. "In any particular case of sex categorization, whether in law or in science, it is necessary to build a definition of sex particular to context."

Experts say the category of 'woman' has always been in dispute

Juliet Williams, a professor of gender studies at UCLA who specializes in gender and the law, said it's important to note this isn't an entirely new debate.

The category of woman has long been politically contested. Black women, she said, were not always welcomed in the category. For example, while the 19th Amendment granted women the right to vote, for decades many Black women were excluded from exercising it. During Jim Crow, there would be bathrooms labeled "men," "women" and "colored." The longstanding view of white supremacy denied recognition as women to Black women and women of color.

Williams said one can also look to the era of Phyllis Schlafly, an attorney and activist and the face of conservative women in the 1970s who argued against the Equal Rights Amendment, which would make discrimination on the basis of sex unconstitutional. Williams said Schlafly believed women's roles as homemakers were fundamental to how the category of woman was defined.

"There was an effort to define womanhood in very specific ways around roles of mothering and nurture, and to suggest that a society in which women's rights and opportunities were equal to men would essentially lead to a genderless, gender-neutral society," she said. "In other words, if women ceased acting like women, they would cease being women."




What's A Woman? GOP Senators Stumble On Their Own Question To Ketanji Brown Jackson.

https://news.yahoo.com/whats-w...


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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 5:47am

 kurtster wrote:
 And by saying that I can't answer that question where the answer is obvious is a lie in itself.  It is, to me at least if no one else here, that after eons on this planet that defining a woman is suddenly an impossible task.  And this is a SCOTUS justice.  If she can't, who can ?  Can you ?  Asking for a friend ...

I can't.  I'm not a biologist either.  

If everyone for eons has insight into the definition (minus myself and Ms. Jackson), then why is someone asking the question?
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 5:33am

 lily34 wrote:
wow. that's a lot, isn't it? i imagine you're right.

 A spokesperson for Junior said the account was hacked.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 5:28am

 kurtster wrote:
 

 At least I brought up an actual definition to be considered as opposed to guess what Steeler's actual meaning of "success" since he never clearly defined it.
. . .

That is so wrong. I asked you why you thought Trump’s appointments were successes. After a few exchanges, you said the success was that Trump did what he said he was going to do in terms of appointing Justices. When I asked what that was, you never answered. By contrast, I explained in some detail why I thought a successful appointment could not be divorced from the subsequent performance of the Justice. You did not address that. Now, you characterize our exchanges as you being straightforward and my being evasive. Anyone reading our exchanges can see that is false, if not delusional.
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 5:21am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I lean toward the cocaine bender theory but I guess it could just be hacked.


wow. that's a lot, isn't it? i imagine you're right.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2023 - 9:09pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Oh, something is happening at DJTjr's Twitter acct
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6...

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/s...



I lean toward the cocaine bender theory but I guess it could just be hacked.
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