[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Acoustic Guitar - Ohmsen - Nov 30, 2021 - 9:45am
 
Jazz - Ohmsen - Nov 30, 2021 - 9:38am
 
COVID-19 - westslope - Nov 30, 2021 - 9:17am
 
Race in America - Lazy8 - Nov 30, 2021 - 9:17am
 
Tech & Science - Red_Dragon - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:56am
 
Bad Poetry - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:47am
 
Buddy's Haven - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:34am
 
Lyrics that strike a chord today... - Ohmsen - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:25am
 
What is the meaning of this? - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:16am
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 7:03am
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 6:59am
 
Name My Band - oldviolin - Nov 30, 2021 - 6:54am
 
Counting with Pictures - ScottN - Nov 30, 2021 - 6:51am
 
Trump - rgio - Nov 30, 2021 - 6:26am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - KurtfromLaQuinta - Nov 30, 2021 - 5:59am
 
Radio Paradise NFL Pick'em Group - sunybuny - Nov 30, 2021 - 5:50am
 
Today in History - Red_Dragon - Nov 30, 2021 - 5:25am
 
Ways to convert list of liked songs into playlist for You... - Aoxomoxoa - Nov 30, 2021 - 3:13am
 
Mixtape Culture Club - Lazy8 - Nov 29, 2021 - 8:10pm
 
• • • Clownstock • • •  - Manbird - Nov 29, 2021 - 7:11pm
 
Things I want to learn from RadioParadise - Coaxial - Nov 29, 2021 - 6:07pm
 
Happy Thanksgiving! - Red_Dragon - Nov 29, 2021 - 5:38pm
 
Robots - Manbird - Nov 29, 2021 - 5:29pm
 
Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant Massacree - KurtfromLaQuinta - Nov 29, 2021 - 4:38pm
 
Baseball, anyone? - ScottFromWyoming - Nov 29, 2021 - 11:16am
 
Breaking News - Steely_D - Nov 29, 2021 - 8:27am
 
Things You Thought Today - Antigone - Nov 29, 2021 - 8:02am
 
Two questions. That's it. I promise. - Manbird - Nov 28, 2021 - 9:11pm
 
What Did You Do Today? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Nov 28, 2021 - 5:41pm
 
Shuttle, ISS and other Real Space Ships - miamizsun - Nov 28, 2021 - 4:37pm
 
What Puts You In the Christmas Mood? - Ohmsen - Nov 28, 2021 - 12:42pm
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - kurtster - Nov 28, 2021 - 12:26pm
 
Outstanding Covers - oldviolin - Nov 28, 2021 - 7:38am
 
Graphic designers, ho's! - Proclivities - Nov 28, 2021 - 4:48am
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - haresfur - Nov 27, 2021 - 10:43pm
 
Funny Videos - KurtfromLaQuinta - Nov 27, 2021 - 9:27pm
 
Great Old Songs You Rarely Hear Anymore - KurtfromLaQuinta - Nov 27, 2021 - 7:54pm
 
Mr. & Mrs Levigne's rejected baby name list... - ScottFromWyoming - Nov 27, 2021 - 7:49pm
 
What Are You Grateful For? - oldviolin - Nov 27, 2021 - 5:27pm
 
The Obituary Page - Antigone - Nov 26, 2021 - 3:57pm
 
More reggae, less Marley please - rhahl - Nov 26, 2021 - 2:08pm
 
Coffee - miamizsun - Nov 26, 2021 - 5:55am
 
What did you have for dinner? - Antigone - Nov 25, 2021 - 5:23pm
 
Old Time and Folk - Lazy8 - Nov 25, 2021 - 5:19pm
 
New Music - R_P - Nov 25, 2021 - 1:32pm
 
Life Imitates the movies? - oldviolin - Nov 25, 2021 - 7:22am
 
Live Music - R_P - Nov 24, 2021 - 9:22pm
 
Animal Resistance - Manbird - Nov 24, 2021 - 7:55pm
 
♥ ♥ ♥ Vote For Pie ♥ ♥ ♥ - haresfur - Nov 24, 2021 - 4:05pm
 
Other Medical Stuff - westslope - Nov 24, 2021 - 8:22am
 
Derplahoma! - Red_Dragon - Nov 24, 2021 - 7:39am
 
Play the Blues - rhahl - Nov 24, 2021 - 2:37am
 
songs that ROCK! - rhahl - Nov 23, 2021 - 10:54pm
 
Immigration - R_P - Nov 23, 2021 - 8:56pm
 
Australia has Disappeared - whatshisname - Nov 23, 2021 - 5:12pm
 
Questions. - haresfur - Nov 23, 2021 - 1:42pm
 
Violent political protest - westslope - Nov 23, 2021 - 12:05pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - R_P - Nov 23, 2021 - 11:45am
 
NEED A COMPUTER GEEK! - ScottFromWyoming - Nov 23, 2021 - 9:56am
 
What Makes You Laugh? - miamizsun - Nov 23, 2021 - 5:00am
 
Republican Party - Red_Dragon - Nov 22, 2021 - 5:41pm
 
RP website error on my MAC - WX0B - Nov 22, 2021 - 4:37pm
 
Beware of Darkness - richrosen - Nov 22, 2021 - 3:04pm
 
Weather fun - Proclivities - Nov 22, 2021 - 12:28pm
 
As California Goes, So Goes The Rest Of The Country - ScottFromWyoming - Nov 22, 2021 - 10:18am
 
American Justice - Red_Dragon - Nov 21, 2021 - 4:25pm
 
The Dragons' Roost - oldviolin - Nov 21, 2021 - 3:17pm
 
Hawkwind - Steely_D - Nov 21, 2021 - 2:34pm
 
Automotive Lust - R_P - Nov 21, 2021 - 2:11pm
 
Poetry Forum - R_P - Nov 21, 2021 - 1:37pm
 
Ambient Music - miamizsun - Nov 21, 2021 - 7:47am
 
Last gas price paid? - ScottN - Nov 20, 2021 - 6:46pm
 
picture - Manbird - Nov 20, 2021 - 5:08pm
 
What makes you smile? - Antigone - Nov 20, 2021 - 1:05pm
 
RightWingNutZ - R_P - Nov 20, 2021 - 12:15pm
 
Index » Regional/Local » USA/Canada » Guns Page: 1, 2, 3 ... 465, 466, 467  Next
Post to this Topic
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 4:22am

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah. 

Chicago last weekend. 9 shot dead and 40 wounded, so I hear ...
 
it used to be that suicide and gang violence made up the vast majority of gun deaths in america
i haven't looked lately
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 9:00pm

Yeah. 

Chicago last weekend. 9 shot dead and 40 wounded, so I hear ...
islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 8:25pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Settle down, it was just one child and he's going to live. Move along...

Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar



Posted: Nov 7, 2021 - 4:07pm

Yay! Guns!
Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Nov 5, 2021 - 8:24am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
This article is heavy on the pearl clutching and light on the facts, but it also omits a significant bit of history of the case. The court rewrote the plaintiff's plea to let them decide a much narrower point than what they sued over. They turned the case from what the original issue was to what they would rather decide.
Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar



Posted: Nov 3, 2021 - 10:36am

Yay! More Guns!
westslope

westslope Avatar

Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Oct 29, 2021 - 5:00am

 miamizsun wrote:

may have been
first i'm not sure why you would have live rounds on a set
should be a system in place for easy identification between the two
maybe a color coded primer, rim, casing and ammo box
i don't know enough about their operation to say 

Guns may be extremely popular in the USA but that does not mean that most Americans, the vast majority actually, know how to properly and safely use them.

If Americans did know how to properly and safely use them, they would not be popular self defence weapons.   Other approaches would be favoured.  

kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 9:06pm

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

I did not blame Baldwin for the death.  Where do you see that ?  I blamed the industry itself for the death.


Just as I said, innuendo and leaving yourself room to backtrack. "So lefty darling (and notorious bully) shoots and kills someone on a movie set."

Of course you didn't really mean he was to blame for shooting and killing someone, but you had to stick that in then act all innocent that you were really talking about the industry. Same old shtick 

As far as the industry goes, yes there is excessive violence because it sells. That was true before the shooting, too.
 
I clearly described the act and the person who pulled the trigger.  I also clearly did not blame him for it.  No back tracking.

As I described Baldwin, I believe to be accurate especially considering his documented tirades against his daughter and confrontations on the streets of NYC.  I can only hope that Baldwin has a personal comeuppance as a result of this tragedy he is a part of.  So far to my knowledge he has never been remorseful regarding any of the above mentioned incidents.  I find it poetic justice or irony for Baldwin who has up until now been untouched by any incidents he has been involved with so far.  Now he has one that may finally slow him down and maybe even humble him.  Shame someone had to die to get there.

But who knows what he feels.  I certainly don't.   He is an actor after all.

Re: the bolded.  You just explain it yet do not state your opinion as to whether or not it is a good or bad thing.  I just see a rationalization based on whataboutism.  It "was true before".  That makes it OK in your opinion ?
oldviolin

oldviolin Avatar

Location: esse quam videri
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 6:26pm

 miamizsun wrote:

may have been
first i'm not sure why you would have live rounds on a set
should be a system in place for easy identification between the two
maybe a color coded primer, rim, casing and ammo box
i don't know enough about their operation to say 


They're out there in the remote open spaces. Maybe there has been gun play or target shooting for fun in the off hours. Could make room for time bombs.
You're right. Live ammo? Why? 
Extra hands involved in the transference of gun to the actors/scenes?
No double triple checks of each and every gun prior to providing actor/scene?
Pointing gun in direction of a person or animal? I thought they had those types of shots worked out.
Apparently there was a bit of dissention in and possibly between the ranks. Attitudes can kill by default. "Not my job."
Sounds like a tragic and careless accident.  

miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 5:57pm

 westslope wrote:
Low budget.  Less stringent safety protocols, perhaps?  
 
may have been
first i'm not sure why you would have live rounds on a set
should be a system in place for easy identification between the two
maybe a color coded primer, rim, casing and ammo box
i don't know enough about their operation to say 
westslope

westslope Avatar

Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 4:55pm

 miamizsun wrote:

it's a horrible accident and it baffles the mind that this could happen on a movie set
i'm sure there are safety protocols to follow...

Low budget.  Less stringent safety protocols, perhaps?  

ScottFromWyoming

ScottFromWyoming Avatar

Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 12:05pm

 kurtster wrote:

And yes, usually there are remarks jumping to conclusions posted before the latest bodies are even cold.  Not this time.



Because there are too many questions and misunderstandings that need to be answered. I'm not willing to say Mr. Baldwin is innocent or a murderer, yet. 

It turns out there was a live round in the gun! Okay, fine, accidents happen. But no: as far as I can tell, when a prop master/armorer says it's a live round, they simply mean that it can go boom: a blank. There wasn't a mixup between blanks and cartridges with bullets because bullets are never used in filming and there's no reason —probably a literal crime somewhere, certainly against union rules— for actual bullets to ever be on a film set. There was a mixup between having the gun be 100% empty VS having blanks, or a flag that goes "bang". AFAICT "cold gun" means pull the trigger all you want, you'll just get a click. So "live round" meant a blank or some thing without a lead bullet but possibly a wad of something. 

I haven't heard, though, if it was a real bullet. It's not likely that a wad from a blank would kill someone from a normal distance but up close, sure. A few years ago our former GM at the ski hill decided to haze  a moose away from the get-off point of our chairlift. We have a pistol with blanks for this and he was itchin' to use it but he actually aimed it at the moose! It drew blood out of her hindquarters from 50 feet away. BTW she didn't budge. Her calf was hidden nearby and there's no way she was going to be hazed off.


If you want me to jump to a conspiracy theory it will be that some disgruntled worker among those who walked off the set a week earlier left a real live bullet in one of the guns. If I continue down this path it will be to say that it wasn't done to get anyone killed, but just to reflect poorly on the new armorer who had just gotten started in the business (was she non-union? I'm not sure, but it was union guys who walked). I mean in my mind, they might have thought the AD would catch the problem and fire her, or maybe they do this routinely as job security: "Whoops! Found a real bullet! Lucky I was here!" This is all moot if it was a blank but fired at very close range. We know that can kill.

Antigone

Antigone Avatar

Location: A house, in a Virginian Valley
Gender: Female


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 11:22am

I have come to the conclusion that for many people, guns are a mental illness. 
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 9:41am

 kurtster wrote:
But the point about how the entertainment biz which is basically a lefty operation that thrives on the glorification of violence is noticeably silent.

💩

steeler

steeler Avatar

Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 9:29am

 Steely_D wrote:


That’s it. That’s the story. We can stop there. 
‘That’s completely different than the pervasiveness of assault weapons in homes.

From column by Kathleen Parker in today’s Washington Post:

“We put ourselves in Baldwin’s shoes and try to imagine what he felt upon realizing what had happened. Seeing him so distraught and plainly grieving in photos snapped after the shooting should move anyone to empathy and pause our nation’s default cynicism. But not in our spiritually hollowed-out world, where meanness is a virtue and hatred is the coin of the realm.”

Steely_D

Steely_D Avatar

Location: Biscayne Bay
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 8:53am

 kurtster wrote:

 Baldwin assumed the gun was cold and did what he was supposed to do, apparently.  Someone yet to be determined failed at their job.  


That’s it. That’s the story. We can stop there. 
‘That’s completely different than the pervasiveness of assault weapons in homes.
haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 6:58am

 kurtster wrote:

I did not blame Baldwin for the death.  Where do you see that ?  I blamed the industry itself for the death.


Just as I said, innuendo and leaving yourself room to backtrack. "So lefty darling (and notorious bully) shoots and kills someone on a movie set."

Of course you didn't really mean he was to blame for shooting and killing someone, but you had to stick that in then act all innocent that you were really talking about the industry. Same old shtick 

As far as the industry goes, yes there is excessive violence because it sells. That was true before the shooting, too.
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 5:11am

 kurtster wrote:

I did not blame Baldwin for the death.  Where do you see that ?  I blamed the industry itself for the death.
 
it's a horrible accident and it baffles the mind that this could happen on a movie set
i'm sure there are safety protocols to follow...
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 5:07am

 haresfur wrote:
 Funny anyone wanting to let the investigation take its course before jumping to conclusions.
Note k's rhetorical tactic of attacking people for not jumping to conclusions or speculating rampantly tied to some innuendo implying Baldwin is to blame somehow because he is a lefty but leaving plenty of room to backtrack by not stating clearly what he thinks. 
But the State government is democratic, correct? So there's sure to be a coverup. 
 
I did not blame Baldwin for the death.  Where do you see that ?  I blamed the industry itself for the death.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 28, 2021 - 5:05am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

So lefty darling (and notorious bully) shoots and kills someone on a movie set.  A week ago now.  Alrighty.  No comments.

So when a child picks up a gun and plays with it and shoots someone it is immediately a big deal.

No big deal when a lefty actor plays with a gun and shoots someone, right ?

I would have expected to see some comments about banning guns in movies and TV shows.

Nope.  Crickets.

If guns were not allowed in movies and TV, we would not have had this shooting death.  And that could also spill over into real life when gun violence is no longer glorified in media productions.

Sad how an industry and media that exploits guns and violence for profit denounces it in real life and ignores it altogether when it happens in house ...

Won't you please come to Chicago ...



I like these posts that get lots of facts wrong, assume flawed correlations, insult everyone here, then move on to blanket pronouncements and nonsensical deductions. Only thing missing is a lamentation about being alone here and constantly under attack/threat of expulsion etc. 
 
What did I get wrong in my remarks ?

And yes, usually there are remarks jumping to conclusions posted before the latest bodies are even cold.  Not this time.

There are extenuating circumstances yet to be addressed but that does not change the fact that someone is dead.  Baldwin assumed the gun was cold and did what he was supposed to do, apparently.  Someone yet to be determined failed at their job.  But the point about how the entertainment biz which is basically a lefty operation that thrives on the glorification of violence is noticeably silent.
Page: 1, 2, 3 ... 465, 466, 467  Next