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U2 — Running to Stand Still
Album: The Joshua Tree
Avg rating:
7.9

Your rating:
Total ratings: 2512









Released: 1987
Length: 4:10
Plays (last 30 days): 2
And so she woke up
Woke up from where she was
Lying still
Said I gotta do something
About where we're going

Step on a steam train
Step out of the driving rain, maybe
Run from the darkness in the night
Singing ha, ah la la la de day
Ah la la la de day
Ah la la de day

Sweet the sin
Bitter taste in my mouth
I see seven towers
But I only see one way out

You got to cry without weeping
Talk without speaking
Scream without raising your voice

You know I took the poison
From the poison stream
Then I floated out of here
Singing...ha la la la de day
Ha la la la de day
Ha la la de day

She runs through the streets
With her eyes painted red
Under black belly of cloud in the rain
In through a doorway she brings me
White gold and pearls stolen from the sea
She is raging
She is raging
And the storm blows up in her eyes
She will...

Suffer the needle chill
She's running to stand...

Still.
Comments (307)add comment
 stalfnzo wrote:
I have no idea why I rated this a 2. I must have been really wasted. It is obviously a 1.
 
Obviously time for some self-reflection on several counts.
bono being fab.
Lanois & U2
this one's rather Springsteen-like. 
Off one of the best U2 albums. Blasted this out in the car whilst driving through the Joshua Tree national park earlier in the year.
u2 at their finest.
followed by my ultimate favourite U2 song...heaven
 TheKing2 wrote:
all U2 songs sound the same.
 
Wow, I never noticed the similarity to Sunday Bloody Sunday before.  Or Lemon.
all U2 songs sound the same.
Part of the great memories of college!
Elbow does a great cover of this song. Both versions are great.
No LP was as good as "The Joshua Tree"
 stalfnzo wrote:
I have no idea why I rated this a 2. I must have been really wasted. It is obviously a 1.
 
Spare us your tedious whining and hit the PSD button.
I have no idea why I rated this a 2. I must have been really wasted. It is obviously a 1.
There are only 3 U2 songs that I really like, and this is one of them.
Thirty years on and when it plays I just stop and listen. Magical...
Marvelous...

    Great song, even better album.

  U2 have forgotten how to make good songs for a long long time.
 Will62 wrote:
As the 3 rating suggests

 
. . . . there are 26 people who think this song is ho hum?
As the 3 rating suggests
Get to see this on Wednesday!

CAN NOT WAIT!
Studying abroad in Galway, Ireland in 1987....and great memories of listening to this album (on a cassette in my Walkman) on the way to classes.
 Kokoloco53 wrote:
Absolutely Bill, great album, but......I thought I heard you say the album is 40 years old this month, but I think you meant to say 30 years.
But, my hearing is not so good at 63 years after high volume listening of so many hard rock songs. RP is keeping me young and mellow in my old age, thank you very much.

 
What?  What??
 FeatFanMike wrote:
Bill, if this album was released in '87 then it is 30 years old, not 40.

You scared me for a minute.  :D

Still loving this album and RP!

 
I already have too many lost decades, let's not rush it...


Bill - that album is 30 years old, not 40 years old - great album
Absolutely Bill, great album, but......I thought I heard you say the album is 40 years old this month, but I think you meant to say 30 years.
But, my hearing is not so good at 63 years after high volume listening of so many hard rock songs. RP is keeping me young and mellow in my old age, thank you very much.
Bill, if this album was released in '87 then it is 30 years old, not 40.

You scared me for a minute.  :D

Still loving this album and RP!
 legacyofrob827 wrote:
holy crap, a u2 song i havent heard and it was superb.... 10
 
How is that even possible? Were you born late yesterday afternoon?
The sweet sounds of this song drifting from my work cubicle across the office.
Well done!
holy crap, a u2 song i havent heard and it was superb.... 10
After a morning of getting kids off to school, this is the perfect song to recalibrate.
Almost 30 years... and I'm still not sick of this song...
 bluematrix wrote:

Well put. While I appreciate virtuosity and groundbreaking, music doesn't have to be either to strongly resonate you. Leo Kotke's skill blows me away... yet I own none of his records. I respect how the Sex Pistols broke new ground, but aren't particularly fond of their music. U2 on the other hand, at the right moment, particularly this cd, could elicit a strong emotional reaction, something I find rare in music.

Put another way, don't let your appreciation of champagne ruin your taste for beer! :) 

 
And even then, what's the best champagne (or single malt in my case)? Depends on who you talk to and the mood they're in.
Ditto. God how I loved that album when it came out, and for years after. Haven't listed to it in a while. I'll have to pull it back out.

easmann wrote:
Still stops me in my tracks after all these years.

 


Still stops me in my tracks after all these years.
Only 3 hours after One Tree Hill? Great. {#Jump}
{#Cowboy}
 buddy wrote:
One of my favorite U2 deep cuts.

 
Of many great ones.
Still blows me away, after all this time. I had just driven like, 20 hours or so from Boulder over the snow-blasted Rockies to hang at the bro's pad in Redondo Beach for my Spring Break, and my bro, who was out of town, had left a note on his living room coffee-table and this record nearby. PLAY IT! the note said. I admit, at first, I was kind of disappointed. I had seen them jam in '83 and was familiar with their earlier stuff, which I noticed, this did not sound like at all... So I went and got my fix of beach and sun. But then, the next few days were rainy and gray, so I hung out and listened to this record until I got it. Wow... I am grateful and inspired by their courage to evolve!
One of my favorite U2 deep cuts.
 ginger wrote:
I'm going to dig out this CD and rip it to my iTunes. It's been so long since I heard this particular track. Now I need to hear it more!

 
Ha ha! It seems I don't have the CD. I must have it on vinyl! While I could rig things up and duplicate it, maybe I'll just spring for a re-purchase of the digital download. It's worth it.
I'm going to dig out this CD and rip it to my iTunes. It's been so long since I heard this particular track. Now I need to hear it more!
 TEG wrote:
Spot on...
Sit down and relax...
Listen to this gem.
How are U feeling now? 
 
Relaxed, wan' a Beamish?
 Webfoot wrote:

I understand that you are answering a specific question, but I would add that there is more to music than novelty and mastery.  Music can be many things to different people. This song hits me in a visceral and emotional way which is what I like about it.  It seems you don't have this same response, which is just fine.  I think it's a 10.

 
Well put. While I appreciate virtuosity and groundbreaking, music doesn't have to be either to strongly resonate you. Leo Kotke's skill blows me away... yet I own none of his records. I respect how the Sex Pistols broke new ground, but aren't particularly fond of their music. U2 on the other hand, at the right moment, particularly this cd, could elicit a strong emotional reaction, something I find rare in music.

Put another way, don't let your appreciation of champagne ruin your taste for beer! :) 
 Will62 wrote:

It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how.
And don't get me started on Bono; self-absorbed, pretentious, hypocritical and not nearly as talented as portrayed.
Yes, I can understand people liking U2 - they have produced the odd good piece but fall far short of what I at least would deem 'Godlike'. 

 

They are average, but of all the average bands out there, they are probably the best of them. None of them are masters of their instruments, Bono's vocal abilities are decent, but he's no Freddie Mercury or KD Lang. It's easy to get tired of seeing him pop-up at every other event and cause, but he means well. And he does a whole lot of other good stuff with his time and money which the press do not report.
I haven't heard a very good U2 album in 23 years, but their latest album, Songs Of Innocence is as good as anything they have done. Even the shit songs are good, and all the other songs on the album are either beautiful, beguiling, or both.
Spot on...
Sit down and relax...
Listen to this gem.
How are U feeling now? 
One of the most beautiful songs U2 has ever written. And that's saying a lot.
 kingart wrote:
Downbeat but lovely and thoughtful. Good songwriting. Subdued as a funeral but soooooo passionate...and that's hard to beat, and it conjures up a lot for anyone whose heart has ever been broken by...you name it. 

 
Well put. 
 Will62 wrote:

It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how.
And don't get me started on Bono; self-absorbed, pretentious, hypocritical and not nearly as talented as portrayed.
Yes, I can understand people liking U2 - they have produced the odd good piece but fall far short of what I at least would deem 'Godlike'. 

 
I understand that you are answering a specific question, but I would add that there is more to music than novelty and mastery.  Music can be many things to different people. This song hits me in a visceral and emotional way which is what I like about it.  It seems you don't have this same response, which is just fine.  I think it's a 10.
 Will62 wrote:

It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how. 

As far as I'm concerned, The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby answer this question definitively. The whole "with effects" thing strikes me as particularly absurd. You mean like the cuckoo clocks and other sound effects on Dark Side of the Moon? The panning guitars on Whole Lotta Love? The wahwah Hendrix used? The farm animals and tape loops on Sgt. Pepper?  Those examples are far more egregious than The Edge choosing to use digital delay.

Hey, you're under no obligation to like U2 but if you don't hear anything novel in their work you're missing out. They don't always hit the mark, few do, but they don't have to prove anything. They'll be in the "pantheon" whether the odd person dislikes them or not and the mere fact they've been around so long now suggests there is something you missing.

this song, FWIW, is stunningly beautiful and perfectly crafted songwriting, performance and production. 
Downbeat but lovely and thoughtful. Good songwriting. Subdued as a funeral but soooooo passionate...and that's hard to beat, and it conjures up a lot for anyone whose heart has ever been broken by...you name it. 
Nice follow up
 gjr wrote:
best album of the 1980's.   period

 
One of the best all-time. 
 Will62 wrote:

It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how.
And don't get me started on Bono; self-absorbed, pretentious, hypocritical and not nearly as talented as portrayed.
Yes, I can understand people liking U2 - they have produced the odd good piece but fall far short of what I at least would deem 'Godlike'. 

 
As with so many things, it probably depends on how old you are. Plus, "catalyst" acts mostly sucked. The difference with the Beatles, Zeppelin, and Stones (I guess... blech), is that they didn't.
 Will62 wrote:

It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how.
And don't get me started on Bono; self-absorbed, pretentious, hypocritical and not nearly as talented as portrayed.
Yes, I can understand people liking U2 - they have produced the odd good piece but fall far short of what I at least would deem 'Godlike'. 

 
Very well said. Mediocre, as I always say about them.
 KaraokeVox wrote:
this a raw song about a raw moment someones life...we dunno whose.
 
Me, that's who. Every time I hear a U2 song I feel as if someone is rubbing me raw with sandpaper. And it is not a pleasant experience.
this a raw song about a raw moment someones life...we dunno whose.
 DeemerDave wrote:
I don't get all of the U2 haters out there. What's the deal?

 
It is not so much a case of hating U2 - more likely (in my case anyway) that they are .............. average. They have put forward nothing that you could label as musically novel nor masterly. It is strum and drang with effects - nothing more, nothing less.
And yet we get a plethora of posters advancing the notion they are in the pantheon of musical acts. Not so. How can they be compared, by rote, with The Rolling Stones? The Beatles? Led Zepplin? Rock acts that not only captured imaginations but changed what we listen to and were the catalyst for so many acts to follow. Can you seriously include U2 in this under these guidelines? I fail to see how.
And don't get me started on Bono; self-absorbed, pretentious, hypocritical and not nearly as talented as portrayed.
Yes, I can understand people liking U2 - they have produced the odd good piece but fall far short of what I at least would deem 'Godlike'. 
Great song from a great band!  Thanks for the throwback...
 Webfoot wrote:
Thanks for the info.  Great song.
 
You are quite welcome, Webfoot...  hope life is grand for you right this minute...

love this song from a truly great album... 
Streaming Lou
{#No}     {#No}     {#No}
  PSD TIME 
 easmann wrote:

I understand. I do. And RP has helped me deepen that understanding. U2 is one of my favorites, but I feel the same as you about a number of other acts.

Some of these artists are of such legendary status that I felt there must be something lacking in me that prevented me appreciating them. If so, whatever is lacking, I can neither find nor manufacture it.

Where RP comes into this is partly with these comments but more with the song ratings: No matter how God-like I might think a song there are many folk who hate it (some with apparent rage). And no matter how horrid I might think a song there are many folk who love it.

What's wrong with that? Nothing. 

 
well said easmann...I don't get everything. Not everything rings my bell, and I don't need to apologize. Just because I don't get it does not mean it's a bad tune...I just don't get it. I am the issue, and there's plenty of music to love
Love it how Clayton stands at the back on the cover. Looks like he just done an air biscuit and they're all ignoring him! :)
 DeemerDave wrote:
I don't get all of the U2 haters out there. What's the deal?

 
You know, It's weird. I love U2 stuff, but I don't go out of my way to listen to it. I'd rather be surprised when I hear it played by RP.
I don't get all of the U2 haters out there. What's the deal?
I try, I really do. But I just can't stand U2. PSD
 Peter_Bradshaw wrote:

......... like it
 
or at least a play no more than 1 U2 song a day policy.  Please.
After all these years ... I cannot listen to this and not be completely taken by it.
Fucking brilliant song from a brilliant record.......10
...i can't decide whether this or bad is U2's greatest song; probably they both are...
 danmaiullo wrote:
This is just a ripoff of Peter Gabriel's Biko.

 
I don't hear that, but I like them both regardless.
This is just a ripoff of Peter Gabriel's Biko.
 stalfnzo wrote:
U2 does absolutely NOTHING for me. I guess I just don't understand them, like others don't get my Phish addiction. Oh well. I only need to get through the next couple of minutes until RP gets back to good music.

 
MOST overrated band of all time; Bono is well and truly up his own arsehole.
U2 does absolutely NOTHING for me. I guess I just don't understand them, like others don't get my Phish addiction. Oh well. I only need to get through the next couple of minutes until RP gets back to good music.
Great song from one the top 5 albums ever IMO.
Some of the best material U2 ever produced was on this album. Such great lyrics; "sweet the sin, bitter the taste in my mouth". You don't have to be a drug addict to relate to that.
 gjr wrote:

according to bono it was a song about a heroin addicted couple living in a drug-infested projects (the seven towers) in dublin

 
Radio Paradise is so educational!
best song off the best album of the '80s

wish i could give it a twelve or something like that 
 Webfoot wrote:

Thanks for the info.  Great song.

 
according to bono it was a song about a heroin addicted couple living in a drug-infested projects (the seven towers) in dublin
Waking up in Tampa after an all nighter in Chicago, listening to a miriad of birds singing while this played in the back ground......9
 Lazarus wrote:


A tragic song about addicts... (with accurate metaphors...)  love it...

these two images in the lyrics define the allegory—

"You know I took the poison
From the poison stream
Then I floated out of here.."
 
and also—

"She will...
Suffer the needle chill
She's running to stand...
Still."

And the song contains subtle religious imagery, like this for example—

"Sweet the sin
Bitter taste in my mouth
I see seven towers
But I only see one way out" 

René Guénon (1886-1951) was a French author who remains an influential figure in the domain of metaphysics... he wrote and published in French and his works have been translated into more than twenty languages....

according to René Guénon—  "The sixth chapter of Genesis might perhaps provide, in a symbolical form, some indications relating to the distant origins of the 'counter-intiation'...These centers are depicted, in symbolical form, in ancient eastern legends such as the legend of 'the seven towers of the devil...' "

 



 
Thanks for the info.  Great song.
best album of the 1980's.   period
This song always brings me back to the Spring of 1987
 treatment_bound wrote:
It's just nice to hear a U2 song in 2013 that you haven't heard at least 100 times before...
 
I have, but that's good and a 100 times more will be just fine!
It's just nice to hear a U2 song in 2013 that you haven't heard at least 100 times before...
 fredriley wrote:

"Morally offensive"? Ok, so what morals of yours am I offending, or are you just being your usual reactive rhetorical self? St Bonio is an explicitly political actor who bestrides the world stage like a hamster with rickets, and puts himself about with world leaders exhorting them to cough up to the developing world, yet at the same time his band/franchise dodges taxes by using Holland as a tax haven. At best, that makes him a hypocritical gobshite.

As for the song, it bores the feck out of me. I'm disappointed that this is the second number from this album on RP in 3 hours or so.


 

Fred, I have no idea what a hamster with rickets would look like, but I find that expression and the rest of your post uncommonly good.  {#Notworthy}    
 Dunkelstar wrote:
This song always seems to cause me to put down what I'm currently doing and ponder things . . . 

The Joshua Tree is a solid album.  

 
Yep.
 Lazarus wrote:


A tragic song about addicts... (with accurate metaphors...)  love it...

these two images in the lyrics define the allegory—

"You know I took the poison
From the poison stream
Then I floated out of here.."
 
and also—

"She will...
Suffer the needle chill
She's running to stand...
Still."

And the song contains subtle religious imagery, like this for example—

"Sweet the sin
Bitter taste in my mouth
I see seven towers
But I only see one way out" 

René Guénon (1886-1951) was a French author who remains an influential figure in the domain of metaphysics... he wrote and published in French and his works have been translated into more than twenty languages....

according to René Guénon—  "The sixth chapter of Genesis might perhaps provide, in a symbolical form, some indications relating to the distant origins of the 'counter-intiation'...These centers are depicted, in symbolical form, in ancient eastern legends such as the legend of 'the seven towers of the devil...' "

 

 

...says the literate, church-fearing, music-loving poet and junky, Lazarus!

 


Surely one U2 song a day is more than enough? Please spare a feeling for those of us who really dislike U2.
This song always seems to cause me to put down what I'm currently doing and ponder things . . . 

The Joshua Tree is a solid album.  


A tragic song about addicts... (with accurate metaphors...)  love it...

these two images in the lyrics define the allegory—

"You know I took the poison
From the poison stream
Then I floated out of here.."
 
and also—

"She will...
Suffer the needle chill
She's running to stand...
Still."

And the song contains subtle religious imagery, like this for example—

"Sweet the sin
Bitter taste in my mouth
I see seven towers
But I only see one way out" 

René Guénon (1886-1951) was a French author who remains an influential figure in the domain of metaphysics... he wrote and published in French and his works have been translated into more than twenty languages....

according to René Guénon—  "The sixth chapter of Genesis might perhaps provide, in a symbolical form, some indications relating to the distant origins of the 'counter-initiation'...These centers are depicted, in symbolical form, in ancient eastern legends such as the legend of 'the seven towers of the devil...' "

 


..shows their genius..and hurts my heart a little each time i hear..
Proustian moment
Awesome. Sitting here reading my new book and listening to RP. Stopped reading to listen to my fav U2 track. Masterpiece!
Goodness.
This takes me far, far away from my cold cubicle... 
 ziakut wrote:
Oh boy! There should be a rule on RP that states no band should get played more than once in a day. With all the music there is in this library...I shouldn't hear more than one U2 song in a day.
 
Maybe you should create your own radio station if you want to start proposing rules?
Okay, I agree up to a point that Bono's a pompous pain in the ass, but that has nothing to do with this monumental work. The Joshua Tree is one of the great albums, surely this band's pinnacle.
 Sloggydog wrote:
Wow quite a long running argument here that seems to be easily summed up as the old story of a band that are a bunch of knobs with a bunch of cool songs.  Bound to inspire conflicting emotions.  I generally like their earlier stuff more but this one isn't extra special in my view.
 
I've never read anything attributed to Adam Clayton or Larry Mullen Jr. that anyone could have decided to judge them negatively as a person.

And really not much on the Edge.

 And personally I am very cool with Bono's persona while seeing how it could annoy others.

So lets focus on the bloody music people.
Oh boy! There should be a rule on RP that states no band should get played more than once in a day. With all the music there is in this library...I shouldn't hear more than one U2 song in a day.
Is it just me, or is Bill finally starting to play less U2? It seems that, thankfully, I'm hearing less of them. Mediocre band, lousy vocals.
 Sloggydog wrote:
Wow quite a long running argument here that seems to be easily summed up as the old story of a band that are a bunch of knobs with a bunch of cool songs.  Bound to inspire conflicting emotions.  I generally like their earlier stuff more but this one isn't extra special in my view.
 

Knobs maybe, but that's so subjective. I'm sure I'm a knob to some Grateful Dead fans. People are very good at rationalizing their own behavior and I'm sure U2 is no exception.
Though this is one of the few U2 tunes I still enjoy...I think I would be happy if U2 were dropped from the playlist for a month or two. Just sayin'...{#Shifty}
Suggestion for new RP feature button:  NOU2


This song is soooo good it puts a spring in my step this spring day...

 
lala la bank holiday - I see Bono and the Edge just dropped over $100 million into Dropbox


This song is soooo good it puts a spring in my step this spring night...

 


This song is soooo good my nipples get hard when I hear it...

 

 

This is such a beautiful song about junkies...  love it...


Wow quite a long running argument here that seems to be easily summed up as the old story of a band that are a bunch of knobs with a bunch of cool songs.  Bound to inspire conflicting emotions.  I generally like their earlier stuff more but this one isn't extra special in my view.
 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.

 
Fred

Did you see the Edge's recent letter to the editor of the Baltimore paper in response to a Maryland Senator's criticism of U2, Bono and the One Campaign.  https://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-07-12/news/bs-ed-edge-u2-tax-letter-20110711_1_u2-tax-evasion-obama-tax

Just providing their side.  Objectively not a completely convincing argument but provides some perspective.

Back to the music; After all those years; the Joshua Tree is still nice to listen to.

 h8rhater wrote:
 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.


Personally, I find it morally offensive that we feel the need for political commentary on a message board dedicated to the music.  Your thoughts on the song Fred?

 
"Morally offensive"? Ok, so what morals of yours am I offending, or are you just being your usual reactive rhetorical self? St Bonio is an explicitly political actor who bestrides the world stage like a hamster with rickets, and puts himself about with world leaders exhorting them to cough up to the developing world, yet at the same time his band/franchise dodges taxes by using Holland as a tax haven. At best, that makes him a hypocritical gobshite.

As for the song, it bores the feck out of me. I'm disappointed that this is the second number from this album on RP in 3 hours or so.

 h8rhater wrote:
 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.


Personally, I find it morally offensive that we feel the need for political commentary on a message board dedicated to the music.  Your thoughts on the song Fred?

 
Since when has there been a rule that says we have to stick to strict music remit? For a start, music and politics are often not separable, but that aside, surely healthy discussion, freedom of speech and intelligent banter all valued by RP listeners?

(BTW - I agree with you h8rhater that people who hate are not wholly admirable, but you certainly have perfected the art of putting things in a negative way.)

 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.
 
hmmm... I was with you until "country that nurtured and supported". North Dublin in the 60's/70's wasn't too nurturing and supporting. But I digress: point taken.
ok, don't hate me, but when the intro ended, I was surprised not to hear Guy Garvey's voice...
 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.


Personally, I find it morally offensive that we feel the need for political commentary on a message board dedicated to the music.  Your thoughts on the song Fred?

 fredriley wrote:

True, and if U2 were a standard mega rock band their tax dodging would just merit a shrug of the shoulders. It's because St Bonio hob-nobs with world leaders and exhorts them, rightly, to pay some of their dues to the developing world, yet won't pay taxes his band can easily afford to the country that nurtured and supported him, that makes his tax dodging so morally offensive.
 
I can't see it as morally offensive. What's morally offensive is the taxman dining with the likes of Goldman-Sachs and "forgiving" certain requirements to pay and then standing behind "client confidentiality" to protect their misdoings. Seriously, the taxman has "clients"? Give me a break.

If U2 the BAND can protect itself from a corrupt taxation system, more power to them. Meanwhile, where's, that rate button? Oh, yes....let's give it an eight, shall we?