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Beaker

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Posted: Feb 27, 2024 - 9:53am

Two more SU-34 fighter-bombers swept from the Ukraine skies today. 
That's 10 RU fighters - fighter-bombers - and an AWACs aircraft in 10 days.  Southern Ukraine is no longer a free-fire zone for RUAF.





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Posted: Feb 26, 2024 - 11:28am

The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin - NYT (ungated)

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Posted: Feb 23, 2024 - 5:45pm

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Posted: Feb 23, 2024 - 4:25pm

Illia Ponomarenko wrote:
Two years.

It's been two years since that fucking night of February 24.

We knew — well, we've been told "it's not 100% confirmed yet...but THIS is possibly due at 4 am or 5 am, stay put."

A half-glass of single malt whisky with ice poured into a glass, the final hours alone in sweet silence in front of a laptop.

Scrolling through the news all the time.

And then the morbid face of Putin twisted with sick rage live on TV. And, shortly after, the rolling thunder of missile strikes coming in from all around Kyiv.

That was supposed to be the apocalypse of a nation, but, thanks to so many men and women standing up, that night became the beginning of Ukraine's finest hour.

The one that old grandpa Winston was once talking about.

Oh, it's been an epoch of time ever since that day.

The Battle of Kyiv. The heroic resistance of Sumy, Chernihiv, and Kharkiv. A lone Ukrainian Marine sacrificing his life to blow up a bridge and stop advancing Russian tanks.

The tragic debacle in the south. The Russian extermination of Mariupol. The Bucha massacre. The unspeakable meat grinder in Donbas. The Kharkiv operation. The cheering crowds jubilating from the Ukrainian colors getting back to Kherson.

The fields of death and gore at Bakhmut and Avdiivka. Battles in the sea and the air.

So many ups and downs, so many heroes, human-made miracles. The price of survival as a nation is terrible. We're going to mourn and shed tears many decades in the future over what Russia has done.

We've seen unbelievable things in this war. Ukraine has done and is doing incredible things in this war in spite of all odds.

The Ukrainian military has been making a gargantuan sacrifice against one of the largest and the most brutal war machines in human history.

Everyone in this war has revealed their true face, from very ordinary people to the highest-ranking power brokers.

Frankly, I don't get it how some could choose to side with the evil, bloodlust, blatant lies, hypocrisy, and imperial savagery over the story of a nation that was supposed to go extinct within weeks but now enters the third year of resistance against the most terrible war of extermination since Adolf Hitler.

With everything that has happened over the last few months, we all should be ready for a lot of hard things to happen. A lot of hopes have been broken due to things we have no control over.

Yet, we need to keep doing what we should and what is simply right.

We've made an extremely long way, and the struggle continues no matter what.





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Posted: Feb 23, 2024 - 3:14pm

Busy day.  Ukraine just shot down another SU-34. 

A number of RU aircraft have been shot down during the last two years - though in recent weeks, the pace of shootdowns is increasing. 

The skies are rapidly becoming as unfriendly for RU AF as the Black Sea is for RU warships.

And all this, before the F-16s enter the arena.

edit: some info tidbits are emerging that, combined, suggest F-16s are already on the hunt and are responsible for at least  the A-50 shootdown.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2024 - 11:00am

Oh noes!   Russia just lost another A-50  !   (that's their AWACs for y'all) 

That makes 2 down, from a very limited supply.


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Posted: Feb 20, 2024 - 10:19am

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Posted: Feb 20, 2024 - 10:16am

Yurp is stepping up. About time.

Denmark will send its ‘entire artillery’ to Ukraine


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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 10:55pm

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A very similar kind, but with different necessary illusions.


apropos:

“The Russians were hunting us down. They had a list of names, including ours, and they were closing in. We were the only international journalists left in the city of #Mariupol. We were reporting inside the hospital when gunmen began stalking the corridors. Surgeons gave us scrubs to wear as camouflage. We were whisked into a dark basement. The police officer who helped said to us, “if they catch you, they will get you on camera and film you saying that everything is a lie. All your efforts will be in vain.”

— this is not from a Hollywood horror movie. This is Mstyslav Chernov’s statement about surviving the siege of Mariupol so that his footage could be shown. If they’d been caught, this post would not exist, the truth about Mariupol would be erased from history, and more than likely this entire team of journalists would be dead."

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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 10:27pm

 R_P wrote:

It's a pro-democratic critique of the media and propaganda (which build that hubris) in democracies. And the lack of democracy in media.


I don't have the time to read NC but I can kind of guess where he is coming from, and his arguments are probably not without some justification. But the media landscape in Europe is slightly different to the States with public TV and radio having far greater influence (as you know). But this may have actually exacerbated the hand-wringing and indecisiveness because every man and his dog got airtime in the interests of "being fair". But again, that is part and parcel of a functioning democracy, so I'm happy to bear it. 

There was certainly no lack of democracy in German TV over the last couple of years IMO.



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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 9:37pm

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And what kind of media and propaganda build hubris in dictatorships? 

A very similar kind, but with different necessary illusions.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 9:20pm

 R_P wrote:

It's a pro-democratic critique of the media and propaganda (which build that hubris) in democracies. And the lack of democracy in media.



And what kind of media and propaganda build hubris in dictatorships? 
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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 9:10pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
more like western hubris (...)

It's a pro-democratic critique of the media and propaganda (which build that hubris) in democracies. And the lack of democracy in media.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 7:56pm

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The mood this year contrasted starkly with the more upbeat 2023. “It was very self-congratulatory last year, with so much hope pinned on the Ukrainian counteroffensive,” said Heather Conley, head of the German Marshall Fund.

This year, prospects are darkening as Russia reconstitutes its army and has shifted to a war economy. “We’re going to see Ukraine suffer from battlefield losses, we could see significant Russian gains, and the Ukrainians have no ammunition left,” Conley said.

Admiral Rob Bauer, chair of the Nato military committee, acknowledged that the west had been “overly optimistic about the war in 2023”, believing that “if we give the Ukrainians the ammunition and training they need, they’ll win”.
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more like western hubris than any lack of democracy. 
In contrast to the authoritarian state you seem to be rooting for there has been massive discussion here in Europe, resulting in indecision and hamstringing of any serious response. 
That is part of the package with democracies.
But slowly people are realising how serious the Russian threat actually is and are starting to respond accordingly. 
About bloody time if you ask me.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 3:11pm

The mood this year contrasted starkly with the more upbeat 2023. “It was very self-congratulatory last year, with so much hope pinned on the Ukrainian counteroffensive,” said Heather Conley, head of the German Marshall Fund.

This year, prospects are darkening as Russia reconstitutes its army and has shifted to a war economy. “We’re going to see Ukraine suffer from battlefield losses, we could see significant Russian gains, and the Ukrainians have no ammunition left,” Conley said.

Admiral Rob Bauer, chair of the Nato military committee, acknowledged that the west had been “overly optimistic about the war in 2023”, believing that “if we give the Ukrainians the ammunition and training they need, they’ll win”.
Necessary Illusions
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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 12:02pm

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It looks to me, from what I'm reading on Xitter, this is already beginning/underway.  America has been exposed as a potentially unreliable partner - dependent upon which party is in power.  And now some of the European countries are waking up, and dramatically boosting military spending.  Good.  Putin won't stop at Ukraine, so he must be stopped from taking Ukraine.


yep, I think that is what is happening. There is open talk now about a "Pearl Harbour" moment for Europe, with some saying it is just around the corner and others saying we are already in the middle of it. 

The European response has been tragically slow, but it is definitely gaining momentum. This also means Putin has a decreasing window open to him to chalk up a victory before he gets swamped.

The biggest threat, both here and in the States, is how the next cycle of elections pan out.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 11:47am

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The pervading response from participants at the Munich Security Conference seems pretty bleak.

Despite that, I have a feeling this might be the point where things finally turn around and that people realise that Russia has already declared war against the rest of Europe and we have to respond accordingly and put the continent on a war footing. 

So far, Europe has treated him as some kind of anomaly, a temporary phenomenon who will go away by himself and if not, the Americans will deal with it. 
Finally they are realizing that they have to deal with this themselves. Europe's output easily dwarfs that of Russia. If they get their shit together, this will be over relatively quickly.



It looks to me, from what I'm reading on Xitter, this is already beginning/underway.  America has been exposed as a potentially unreliable partner - dependent upon which party is in power.  And now some of the European countries are waking up, and dramatically boosting military spending.  Good.  Putin won't stop at Ukraine, so he must be stopped from taking Ukraine.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 11:42am

The pervading response from participants at the Munich Security Conference seems pretty bleak.

Despite that, I have a feeling this might be the point where things finally turn around and that people realise that Russia has already declared war against the rest of Europe and we have to respond accordingly and put the continent on a war footing. 

So far, Europe has treated him as some kind of anomaly, a temporary phenomenon who will go away by himself and if not, the Americans will deal with it. 
Finally they are realizing that they have to deal with this themselves. Europe's output easily dwarfs that of Russia. If they get their shit together, this will be over relatively quickly.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2024 - 6:43am

Patriot Tour - Feb 2024

Americans: HIMARS - High Mobility Artillery System
Ukrainians. Hold my beer: HIMPADS - High Mobility Patriot Air Defense System


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Posted: Jan 26, 2024 - 7:47am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


Lord, your framing of the Ukrainian fight for independence in the terms of a South American left-wing fight against capitalism is getting kind of tiresome.

But in one thing you are right, at least in what you imply. Yes, Europe should not have to rely on the US for its defence. It is high time the Europeans got their collective shit together and stood up for their own ideals. Slowly the machinery is gathering steam to actually do this.
Europe has got a lot of dead weight though, from obscurantists of all persuasions who just don't want to see Russia for what it really is. Meanwhile, Ukrainians are being terrorised on a daily basis and the Neo-fascists are gaining popularity across the continent from people who skipped history classes.


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