Ben Harper — Gather 'Round The Stone
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You're too young to know
That you're too young to go
There's no freedom to be found
Lying face up in the ground
Ashes from an unfinished life
Are all that's left
In a tear-drop-shaped locket
Hanging from his mother's chest
You whip the back of freedom
'till it bleeds an oil stream
Then you sail down upon it
In your killing machine
Old men who send children
Off to die in vain
They will hear death's constant whisper
Call remember my name
Gather 'round the stone
That you're too young to go
There's no freedom to be found
Lying face up in the ground
Ashes from an unfinished life
Are all that's left
In a tear-drop-shaped locket
Hanging from his mother's chest
You whip the back of freedom
'till it bleeds an oil stream
Then you sail down upon it
In your killing machine
Old men who send children
Off to die in vain
They will hear death's constant whisper
Call remember my name
Gather 'round the stone
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Same chord progression initially as Shady Grove.. traditional and this is a fantastic tune
WeAdmire wrote:
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict. I understand Harper's antecedents are Afro/Native American and Jewish - he is a poster boy for mixing it up. On the matter of patterns and the curious but consistently entertaining sequences of music the like of which I have never enjoyed to the extent I have since tuning into RP: how is it done. Bill have you developed some sweet algorithm for rhythm?
Well it's a stone and they are a gathering around it
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict. I understand Harper's antecedents are Afro/Native American and Jewish - he is a poster boy for mixing it up. On the matter of patterns and the curious but consistently entertaining sequences of music the like of which I have never enjoyed to the extent I have since tuning into RP: how is it done. Bill have you developed some sweet algorithm for rhythm?
Well it's a stone and they are a gathering around it
h8rhater wrote:
Because then he/she wouldn't get a chance to cry about it. It's all about the cryin'
Oh snap!
Because then he/she wouldn't get a chance to cry about it. It's all about the cryin'
Oh snap!
no
Proclivities wrote:
Of all the possible aspects of this recording to be annoyed (or "tortured") by, the chord progression seems to be an odd choice. It's a pretty traditional minor-key progression, probably used in hundreds of folk and gospel tunes.
if not thousands
Of all the possible aspects of this recording to be annoyed (or "tortured") by, the chord progression seems to be an odd choice. It's a pretty traditional minor-key progression, probably used in hundreds of folk and gospel tunes.
if not thousands
david16 wrote:
I must agree with David 16 times
There are so, so many better Ben Harper songs you guys could be playing...
ERERER wrote:
Of all the possible aspects of this recording to be annoyed (or "tortured") by, the chord progression seems to be an odd choice. It's a pretty traditional minor-key progression, probably used in hundreds of folk and gospel tunes.
Please, PLEASE stop playing this. The chord progression is torturous.
Of all the possible aspects of this recording to be annoyed (or "tortured") by, the chord progression seems to be an odd choice. It's a pretty traditional minor-key progression, probably used in hundreds of folk and gospel tunes.
WeAdmire wrote:
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict.
It seems pretty obvious to me it's a warning to not join up.
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict.
It seems pretty obvious to me it's a warning to not join up.
justin4kick wrote:
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict. I understand Harper's antecedents are Afro/Native American and Jewish - he is a poster boy for mixing it up. On the matter of patterns and the curious but consistently entertaining sequences of music the like of which I have never enjoyed to the extent I have since tuning into RP: how is it done. Bill have you developed some sweet algorithm for rhythm?
I wouldn't have thought this was the stone in question, surely the lyrics refer to gravestones generally and premature death and violent conflict. I understand Harper's antecedents are Afro/Native American and Jewish - he is a poster boy for mixing it up. On the matter of patterns and the curious but consistently entertaining sequences of music the like of which I have never enjoyed to the extent I have since tuning into RP: how is it done. Bill have you developed some sweet algorithm for rhythm?
Stingray wrote:
Right on!
I very much admire Harper's music!
Right on!
floydoftherocks wrote:
Ha! Ya - agreed!
I wish Harper's pursuit of freedom would take him to another part of the world, and that he would stay there, forever..
Ha! Ya - agreed!
I wish Harper's pursuit of freedom would take him to another part of the world, and that he would stay there, forever..
Groogrux69 wrote:
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
rdo wrote:
The answer is as follows: this is a comment board. If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it
If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it. If you want to be a crybaby: "this is a comment board". Some of us must defend the right to annoy at all costs.
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
The answer is as follows: this is a comment board. If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it
If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it. If you want to be a crybaby: "this is a comment board". Some of us must defend the right to annoy at all costs.
Great song and political comment. Ben pounds his message like a sermon. I ve got to see him live! He's made a believer out of me.
Is Ben channeling his "Inner-Zimmy"?
Groogrux69 wrote:
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
The answer is as follows: this is a comment board. If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
The answer is as follows: this is a comment board. If you want to enjoy the music: listen to it
I very much admire Harper's music!
I'm betting he gets the full-bore profiling treatment at the airport.
Bill: the master of the seque (and I don't particularily like the last two songs).
ERERER wrote:
Groogrux69 wrote:
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
Because then he/she wouldn't get a chance to cry about it. It's all about the cryin'
If I hear this exceedingly boring track one more time, I'm gonna snap.
Groogrux69 wrote:
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
Because then he/she wouldn't get a chance to cry about it. It's all about the cryin'
This is probably one of the best songs I have heard in a long time and there have been a lot of great songs played; this is in a class by itself!
ERERER wrote:
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
If I hear this exceedingly boring track one more time, I'm gonna snap.
Why not just click PSD instead while the rest of us enjoy Ben?
ERERER wrote:
Yang
If I hear this exceedingly boring track one more time, I'm gonna snap.
Yang
If I hear this exceedingly boring track one more time, I'm gonna snap.
peter_james_bond wrote:
I just stumbled on this in the wee hours of a sleepless night. The page number you refered to is now page 5.
Amazingly, Excelsior now has 1,357 songs rated a 1.
I'm not a fan of the DD, but sheesh. That's almost as many songs as I have rated total.
nate917 wrote:
I went back over Excelsior's comments, and although they aren't that offensive, they are relentlessly negative and he repeatedly uses the puking emoticon, which I can't stand. I agree with you about hate speech. I think one of the problems with free speech is that many people refuse to use it to stand up to intolerance. People should speak out about it but they clam up and refuse to get involved. This leaves the haters free to spout their bile. That's what makes censorship so enticing, it's easier to go that route that to debate the issue. I don't know if Horstman is a hater, I'd have to go over his comments and I haven't done that.
The Post from Bill G can be found on Page 4 of the comments for the song 'Lost Coastlines' by Okkervil River. I don't know what happened to Excelsior; whether he left on his own or Bill kicked him off (although Bill's such a nice guy, it's hard to picture him kicking a member out), it's a mystery. Excelsior didn't leave immediately after Bill's comment, he stuck around for a while. He did not make a comment after Oct 20th, 2008.
I like markoirl's theory of what happened to Excelsior - Bill captured Excelsior in October last year. After weeks of intensive "re-programming" released him using an abandoned shell user account, Romeotuma.
PS - As for this song...Not Bad - 7
Well, I do defend free speech, including yours and *ugh* Horstman's. Interesting analogy to racist comments, though, and I guess you caught me speaking loosely when I said 'welcome,' so I accept your refinement. My own intolerance is not for politically incorrect speech (like racist remarks) so much as hate speech. That's why I don't accept Horst: he's a demonstrable hater of many things. But I'm a dauntless defender of his right to say whatever he wants to, subject, of course, to BillG's overriding policies.
But this is the first that I'd heard what happened to Excelsior, so your post was fascinating. Do you know this for sure? PhysicsGenius fits the description and likewise disappeared mysteriously...
I went back over Excelsior's comments, and although they aren't that offensive, they are relentlessly negative and he repeatedly uses the puking emoticon, which I can't stand. I agree with you about hate speech. I think one of the problems with free speech is that many people refuse to use it to stand up to intolerance. People should speak out about it but they clam up and refuse to get involved. This leaves the haters free to spout their bile. That's what makes censorship so enticing, it's easier to go that route that to debate the issue. I don't know if Horstman is a hater, I'd have to go over his comments and I haven't done that.
The Post from Bill G can be found on Page 4 of the comments for the song 'Lost Coastlines' by Okkervil River. I don't know what happened to Excelsior; whether he left on his own or Bill kicked him off (although Bill's such a nice guy, it's hard to picture him kicking a member out), it's a mystery. Excelsior didn't leave immediately after Bill's comment, he stuck around for a while. He did not make a comment after Oct 20th, 2008.
I like markoirl's theory of what happened to Excelsior - Bill captured Excelsior in October last year. After weeks of intensive "re-programming" released him using an abandoned shell user account, Romeotuma.
PS - As for this song...Not Bad - 7
I just stumbled on this in the wee hours of a sleepless night. The page number you refered to is now page 5.
Amazingly, Excelsior now has 1,357 songs rated a 1.
I'm not a fan of the DD, but sheesh. That's almost as many songs as I have rated total.
Please, PLEASE stop playing this. The chord progression is torturous.
vandal wrote:
And more power to them
When we saw Ben in concert a couple of years ago, the folks next to us were chanting, "Hey, hey, hey, gather 'round the bong."
And more power to them
When we saw Ben in concert a couple of years ago, the folks next to us were chanting, "Hey, hey, hey, gather 'round the bong."
Pretty neat juxtaposition to hear this right after the door's "Riders on the Storm". Nice one, Bill.
Hell, yeah, Ben. Do it like that.
Griffins wrote:
Ditto.
I still wonder why the producers felt they needed to tap him to appear in Standing In the Shadows of Motown.
I could happily never hear this song again.
Ditto.
I still wonder why the producers felt they needed to tap him to appear in Standing In the Shadows of Motown.
rbigelo wrote:
What's the point of that? Without negative, there is no positive, and vice-versa.
No mountain - no valley.
It's the way of EXISTENCE.
I rather like this. I'd also rather like keeping my negative opinions to myself. If I don't like something I keep quiet. I like something, I let RP know. Simple as that.
What's the point of that? Without negative, there is no positive, and vice-versa.
No mountain - no valley.
It's the way of EXISTENCE.
I'd like to see him "Gather 'round the Stone" in the fashion of Wile E. Coyote
Griffins wrote:
How sad for you.
I could happily never hear this song again.
How sad for you.
I could happily never hear this song again.
Wow, hammer-ons, pull-offs, and wah guitar - quality ingredients. 
nate917 wrote:
I went back over Excelsior's comments, and although they aren't that offensive, they are relentlessly negative and he repeatedly uses the puking emoticon, which I can't stand. I agree with you about hate speech. I think one of the problems with free speech is that many people refuse to use it to stand up to intolerance. People should speak out about it but they clam up and refuse to get involved. This leaves the haters free to spout their bile. That's what makes censorship so enticing, it's easier to go that route that to debate the issue. I don't know if Horstman is a hater, I'd have to go over his comments and I haven't done that.
The Post from Bill G can be found on Page 4 of the comments for the song 'Lost Coastlines' by Okkervil River. I don't know what happened to Excelsior; whether he left on his own or Bill kicked him off (although Bill's such a nice guy, it's hard to picture him kicking a member out), it's a mystery. Excelsior didn't leave immediately after Bill's comment, he stuck around for a while. He did not make a comment after Oct 20th, 2008.
I like markoirl's theory of what happened to Excelsior - Bill captured Excelsior in October last year. After weeks of intensive "re-programming" released him using an abandoned shell user account, Romeotuma.
PS - As for this song...Not Bad - 7
Well, I do defend free speech, including yours and *ugh* Horstman's. Interesting analogy to racist comments, though, and I guess you caught me speaking loosely when I said 'welcome,' so I accept your refinement. My own intolerance is not for politically incorrect speech (like racist remarks) so much as hate speech. That's why I don't accept Horst: he's a demonstrable hater of many things. But I'm a dauntless defender of his right to say whatever he wants to, subject, of course, to BillG's overriding policies.
But this is the first that I'd heard what happened to Excelsior, so your post was fascinating. Do you know this for sure? PhysicsGenius fits the description and likewise disappeared mysteriously...
I went back over Excelsior's comments, and although they aren't that offensive, they are relentlessly negative and he repeatedly uses the puking emoticon, which I can't stand. I agree with you about hate speech. I think one of the problems with free speech is that many people refuse to use it to stand up to intolerance. People should speak out about it but they clam up and refuse to get involved. This leaves the haters free to spout their bile. That's what makes censorship so enticing, it's easier to go that route that to debate the issue. I don't know if Horstman is a hater, I'd have to go over his comments and I haven't done that.
The Post from Bill G can be found on Page 4 of the comments for the song 'Lost Coastlines' by Okkervil River. I don't know what happened to Excelsior; whether he left on his own or Bill kicked him off (although Bill's such a nice guy, it's hard to picture him kicking a member out), it's a mystery. Excelsior didn't leave immediately after Bill's comment, he stuck around for a while. He did not make a comment after Oct 20th, 2008.
I like markoirl's theory of what happened to Excelsior - Bill captured Excelsior in October last year. After weeks of intensive "re-programming" released him using an abandoned shell user account, Romeotuma.
PS - As for this song...Not Bad - 7
nate917 wrote:
And nowhere is your excellent point more evident than the pages accompanying Porcupine Tree songs. Just try expressing the view there that the music is superficial or that Steven Wilson is a vapid windbag. The place will erupt with zealous attacks on your philistine tastes and demands that you find a new radio station.
I never demanded that you find a new radio station. I just argued with you over the total lack of common sense some people have with regards to where they live and how they live.
If you live in an area that is prone to flooding, either move your house to higher ground or accept the fact that your house may get washed away and you or your love ones might be injured or killed.
That's all. The problem you guys take from this is personal, like we're attacking you, your credibility and your views.
We're not. We just don't agree and we use this forum to express our opinions. Cause we all have em.
Try to break a smile . . . this is all really, really fun.
And nowhere is your excellent point more evident than the pages accompanying Porcupine Tree songs. Just try expressing the view there that the music is superficial or that Steven Wilson is a vapid windbag. The place will erupt with zealous attacks on your philistine tastes and demands that you find a new radio station.
I never demanded that you find a new radio station. I just argued with you over the total lack of common sense some people have with regards to where they live and how they live.
If you live in an area that is prone to flooding, either move your house to higher ground or accept the fact that your house may get washed away and you or your love ones might be injured or killed.
That's all. The problem you guys take from this is personal, like we're attacking you, your credibility and your views.
We're not. We just don't agree and we use this forum to express our opinions. Cause we all have em.
Try to break a smile . . . this is all really, really fun.
peter_james_bond wrote:
I'm not calling for censorship. What bothered me most about your comment was your use of the word welcome, a better word to use would have been tolerated. His comments were not welcome but they were tolerated.
* * * *
Have a good day - you defender of free speech.
I'm not calling for censorship. What bothered me most about your comment was your use of the word welcome, a better word to use would have been tolerated. His comments were not welcome but they were tolerated.
* * * *
Have a good day - you defender of free speech.
Well, I do defend free speech, including yours and *ugh* Horstman's. Interesting analogy to racist comments, though, and I guess you caught me speaking loosely when I said 'welcome,' so I accept your refinement. My own intolerance is not for politically incorrect speech (like racist remarks) so much as hate speech. That's why I don't accept Horst: he's a demonstrable hater of many things. But I'm a dauntless defender of his right to say whatever he wants to, subject, of course, to BillG's overriding policies.
But this is the first that I'd heard what happened to Excelsior, so your post was fascinating. Do you know this for sure? PhysicsGenius fits the description and likewise disappeared mysteriously...
horstman wrote:
To all RP posters, do you really want me, aka Horstman, to disappear? Is that the general consensus here or the rantings of one Mr. Nate917 who spews his gospel of all things proper RP etiquette?
It is funny how in one sentence he thinks people like me and Excelsior should be removed and in the next sentence he thinks our ideas are as welcome as anyone elses. Sounds pretty conflicted to me.
I've encountered many people like Nate who basically have a "my way or the highway" approach, and quite frankly I don't have the time to waste with such people.
But again, I ask as a matter of RP interest, should I stay or should I go now? And Nate, you needn't chime in, we all know your opinion(s)!
Feel free to send me private messages, I don't mind.
Yours respectively,
Horstman
Sod off, you pathetic hate-mongerer. I disagree with your hate, but I defend your right to express it. I'm sure that distinction is lost on you. ("yours respectively"?)
To all RP posters, do you really want me, aka Horstman, to disappear? Is that the general consensus here or the rantings of one Mr. Nate917 who spews his gospel of all things proper RP etiquette?
It is funny how in one sentence he thinks people like me and Excelsior should be removed and in the next sentence he thinks our ideas are as welcome as anyone elses. Sounds pretty conflicted to me.
I've encountered many people like Nate who basically have a "my way or the highway" approach, and quite frankly I don't have the time to waste with such people.
But again, I ask as a matter of RP interest, should I stay or should I go now? And Nate, you needn't chime in, we all know your opinion(s)!
Feel free to send me private messages, I don't mind.
Yours respectively,
Horstman
Sod off, you pathetic hate-mongerer. I disagree with your hate, but I defend your right to express it. I'm sure that distinction is lost on you. ("yours respectively"?)
nate917 wrote:
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome here as yours.
Oh, and this song is terrible.
To all RP posters, do you really want me, aka Horstman, to disappear? Is that the general consensus here or the rantings of one Mr. Nate917 who spews his gospel of all things proper RP etiquette?
It is funny how in one sentence he thinks people like me and Excelsior should be removed and in the next sentence he thinks our ideas are as welcome as anyone elses. Sounds pretty conflicted to me.
I've encountered many people like Nate who basically have a "my way or the highway" approach, and quite frankly I don't have the time to waste with such people.
But again, I ask as a matter of RP interest, should I stay or should I go now? And Nate, you needn't chime in, we all know your opinion(s)!
Feel free to send me private messages, I don't mind.
Yours respectively,
Horstman
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome here as yours.
Oh, and this song is terrible.
To all RP posters, do you really want me, aka Horstman, to disappear? Is that the general consensus here or the rantings of one Mr. Nate917 who spews his gospel of all things proper RP etiquette?
It is funny how in one sentence he thinks people like me and Excelsior should be removed and in the next sentence he thinks our ideas are as welcome as anyone elses. Sounds pretty conflicted to me.
I've encountered many people like Nate who basically have a "my way or the highway" approach, and quite frankly I don't have the time to waste with such people.
But again, I ask as a matter of RP interest, should I stay or should I go now? And Nate, you needn't chime in, we all know your opinion(s)!
Feel free to send me private messages, I don't mind.
Yours respectively,
Horstman
nate917 wrote:
You're the one who's panties seem to be in a knot. As I said before, I'm not calling for censorship. What bothered me most about your comment was your use of the word welcome, a better word to use would have been tolerated. His comments were not welcome but they were tolerated. I would compare his posts to a racist's comments, which are often tolerated while at the same time despised and disputed.
His comments weren't the only issue, the following post is from Bill Goldsmith himself:
'A relentlessly negative RP member has discovered how to spot new tracks that have been added to the library, and has been passing out 1s to songs he hasn't even heard yet, based on his wide-ranging predjudices.'
If I see that happen even once more I'll probably start removing his ratings from the displays & calculations.'
Not long after Bill's comment (made on Sept 30th, 2008) Excelsior disappeared, he knew the jig was up. So the words and actions of this troll led to his downfall.
It wouldn't surprise me if Excelsior was an eleven year old, he/she had the mentality of a child.
Have a good day - you defender of free speech.
So F'ing what. All you're pointing out is that you disagreed with him, as did a bunch of other people. I'm sorry trolls upset you so much, but this is a public forum, and it welcomes both the agreeable comments and the disagreeable ones. You want to be the arbiter of what's agreeable and exclude all that's not, and that's censorship. What if someone found your comments nasty? Should you be booted? Or do you pretty much get to say whatever you want here — just like Excelsior and everyone else?
Oh, by the way, Excelsior is an 11-year-old Asian girl from Columbus who's really good at getting your goat.
Oh, by the way, Excelsior is an 11-year-old Asian girl from Columbus who's really good at getting your goat.
You're the one who's panties seem to be in a knot. As I said before, I'm not calling for censorship. What bothered me most about your comment was your use of the word welcome, a better word to use would have been tolerated. His comments were not welcome but they were tolerated. I would compare his posts to a racist's comments, which are often tolerated while at the same time despised and disputed.
His comments weren't the only issue, the following post is from Bill Goldsmith himself:
'A relentlessly negative RP member has discovered how to spot new tracks that have been added to the library, and has been passing out 1s to songs he hasn't even heard yet, based on his wide-ranging predjudices.'
If I see that happen even once more I'll probably start removing his ratings from the displays & calculations.'
Not long after Bill's comment (made on Sept 30th, 2008) Excelsior disappeared, he knew the jig was up. So the words and actions of this troll led to his downfall.
It wouldn't surprise me if Excelsior was an eleven year old, he/she had the mentality of a child.
Have a good day - you defender of free speech.
peter_james_bond wrote:
Don't try to re-write history, his ideas were not welcomed, they were despised! He was a toxic, poisonous, unwelcome troll.
So F'ing what. All you're pointing out is that you disagreed with him, as did a bunch of other people. I'm sorry trolls upset you so much, but this is a public forum, and it welcomes both the agreeable comments and the disagreeable ones. You want to be the arbiter of what's agreeable and exclude all that's not, and that's censorship. What if someone found your comments nasty? Should you be booted? Or do you pretty much get to say whatever you want here — just like Excelsior and everyone else?
Oh, by the way, Excelsior is an 11-year-old Asian girl from Columbus who's really good at getting your goat.
Don't try to re-write history, his ideas were not welcomed, they were despised! He was a toxic, poisonous, unwelcome troll.
So F'ing what. All you're pointing out is that you disagreed with him, as did a bunch of other people. I'm sorry trolls upset you so much, but this is a public forum, and it welcomes both the agreeable comments and the disagreeable ones. You want to be the arbiter of what's agreeable and exclude all that's not, and that's censorship. What if someone found your comments nasty? Should you be booted? Or do you pretty much get to say whatever you want here — just like Excelsior and everyone else?
Oh, by the way, Excelsior is an 11-year-old Asian girl from Columbus who's really good at getting your goat.
nate917 wrote:
I didn't say he should be censored, but his ideas were certainly not welcome.
The Canadian censors weigh in. It's different here. Really.
I didn't say he should be censored, but his ideas were certainly not welcome.
peter_james_bond wrote:
No they aren't, are you nuts??
The Canadian censors weigh in. It's different here. Really.
No they aren't, are you nuts??
The Canadian censors weigh in. It's different here. Really.
nate917 wrote:
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome as yours.
Don't try to re-write history, his ideas were not welcomed, they were despised! He was a toxic, poisonous, unwelcome troll.
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome as yours.
Don't try to re-write history, his ideas were not welcomed, they were despised! He was a toxic, poisonous, unwelcome troll.
holborne wrote:
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome here as yours.
Oh, and this song is terrible.
Could people please stop reposting Excelsior's stuff? Seriously, please? It's bad enough to have to read it the first time, but you're just giving his stupidity more exposure when you repost, and you're just feeding the troll by giving him any attention. It would be awfully nice to have an Excelsior-free board, and he's actually been gone for the past week or thereabouts, so could we try to make it so? Thanks. (And yes, I'm aware I'm guilty of it myself, but honestly, I've seen the light.)
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
I find your attempt at organized censorship far more repugnant than any of Excelsior's drivel. I think many of us would like to see Excelsior, PhysicsGenius, and Horstman (to name but a few) disappear. But this is not a popularity contest, and Excelsior's unpopular ideas are just as welcome here as yours.
Oh, and this song is terrible.
Love Ben Harper but was a bit disappointed by this album. Not this particular track though. By the way the new album with the relentless 7 rocks especially lay there and hate me.
holborne wrote:
Yup, he posted 5 almost identical comments to this song in two months. Just so we all know just exactly how he feels, and he didn't stop until someone responded to him. A troll, pure and simple, and as the old saying goes: don't feed the trolls. And yes, I'm guilty of that too, but you don't really expect to find trolls on a civilised site like this so tend to treat posters as decent people by default.
I wouldn't know Ben Harper from a hole in the ground, but I do like this song and the lyrics.
Could people please stop reposting Excelsior's stuff? Seriously, please? It's bad enough to have to read it the first time, but you're just giving his stupidity more exposure when you repost, and you're just feeding the troll by giving him any attention. It would be awfully nice to have an Excelsior-free board, and he's actually been gone for the past week or thereabouts, so could we try to make it so? Thanks. (And yes, I'm aware I'm guilty of it myself, but honestly, I've seen the light.)
Yup, he posted 5 almost identical comments to this song in two months. Just so we all know just exactly how he feels, and he didn't stop until someone responded to him. A troll, pure and simple, and as the old saying goes: don't feed the trolls. And yes, I'm guilty of that too, but you don't really expect to find trolls on a civilised site like this so tend to treat posters as decent people by default.
I wouldn't know Ben Harper from a hole in the ground, but I do like this song and the lyrics.
- NO -
jagdriver wrote:
Or at least decrease its rotation. There are so many good songs we don't get to hear much of.......
yes!!! please!!!!!
Or at least decrease its rotation. There are so many good songs we don't get to hear much of.......yes!!! please!!!!!
I love Ben Harper!! 
If there are so many negative comments about Okkervil River's la la la la's, then why are there no negatives about Ben Harper's hey hey hey hey's? 
Excelsior must not be listening today.
morlocks wrote:
Or at least decrease its rotation. There are so many good songs we don't get to hear much of.......
Tired of this song. Please stop playing it.
Or at least decrease its rotation. There are so many good songs we don't get to hear much of....... xkolibuul wrote:
Alright then, I'll say it again too: unless you've actually met BenH and hung with him, you are making a baseless snap judgement that serves no good purpose.
I say Gather 'Round for more good tunes.
I don't know the guy personally, but I like this song.
Alright then, I'll say it again too: unless you've actually met BenH and hung with him, you are making a baseless snap judgement that serves no good purpose.
I say Gather 'Round for more good tunes.
I don't know the guy personally, but I like this song.
So, Bill.....if you're not a big Ben Harper fan, then why do you play so much of him?
Tired of this song. Please stop playing it.
Worn out
wrangler wrote:
ben harper, in general, is overplayed on RP.
i've said it before, and i shall say it again: something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
Alright then, I'll say it again too: unless you've actually met BenH and hung with him, you are making a baseless snap judgement that serves no good purpose.
I say Gather 'Round for more good tunes.
ben harper, in general, is overplayed on RP.
i've said it before, and i shall say it again: something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
Alright then, I'll say it again too: unless you've actually met BenH and hung with him, you are making a baseless snap judgement that serves no good purpose.
I say Gather 'Round for more good tunes.
wrangler wrote:
something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
I couldn't agree more. I've tried and tried to like this guy but it never quite happens. And this song has got to be one of his most annoying
something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
I couldn't agree more. I've tried and tried to like this guy but it never quite happens. And this song has got to be one of his most annoying
Zweiblumen wrote:
ben harper, in general, is overplayed on RP.
i've said it before, and i shall say it again: something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
I feel this is a little overplayed on RP
ben harper, in general, is overplayed on RP.
i've said it before, and i shall say it again: something about ben harper strikes me that he is a total poseur.
I feel this is a little overplayed on RP
Mr. Benjamin Chase "Ben" Harper it is those artists with talent but with humility and willingness to learn and explore new approach music which give a prominent place in this as competitive world of music;
and because nobody born taugh....
** 7 / 8 **
holborne wrote:
I like it, too.
Could people please stop reposting Excelsior's stuff? Seriously, please? It's bad enough to have to read it the first time, but you're just giving his stupidity more exposure when you repost, and you're just feeding the troll by giving him any attention. It would be awfully nice to have an Excelsior-free board, and he's actually been gone for the past week or thereabouts, so could we try to make it so? Thanks. (And yes, I'm aware I'm guilty of it myself, but honestly, I've seen the light.)
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
I like it, too.
Could people please stop reposting Excelsior's stuff? Seriously, please? It's bad enough to have to read it the first time, but you're just giving his stupidity more exposure when you repost, and you're just feeding the troll by giving him any attention. It would be awfully nice to have an Excelsior-free board, and he's actually been gone for the past week or thereabouts, so could we try to make it so? Thanks. (And yes, I'm aware I'm guilty of it myself, but honestly, I've seen the light.)
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
As for this song, it's the first time I've ever heard it, and I love it.
the best..
Excelsior wrote:
Or the Weather Channel, for that matter.
Dear Lord. You mean to tell me that we couldn't even go 16 HOURS before we had to hear this song again? Doesn't RP supposedly have several thousands of songs at its disposal? I could hear less repetition on Clear Channel. 
Or the Weather Channel, for that matter.
Excelsior wrote:
Really? I had no idea.
I hate this song.
Really? I had no idea. TriskyJen wrote:
John Barleycorn was Traffic, dear.
Actually I thought is was going to be John Barleycorn from... who was it... Pentangle? Not remembering clearly. Ah, I am overcome by age.
John Barleycorn was Traffic, dear.
I hate this song.
Tired of this. Ben Harper has made other far better tracks.
Actually I thought is was going to be John Barleycorn from... who was it... Pentangle? Not remembering clearly. Ah, I am overcome by age.
Laptopdog wrote:
Laptopdog wrote:
I thought this was going to be Shady Grove by Mudcrutch from the sound of the bass line. Sounds almost indentical to me. Maybe Ben should sue! 
its great to hear this again,
Dear Lord. You mean to tell me that we couldn't even go 16 HOURS before we had to hear this song again? Doesn't RP supposedly have several thousands of songs at its disposal? I could hear less repetition on Clear Channel.
Ben Harper, and this song in particular, can take a long walk off a short pier. I have seriously had it with this crap. 
No more of Excelsior's whiny no mores. Seriously dude, its time you met my good buddy Iron-E.
NO MORE OF THIS SONG!!!
nate917 wrote:
And nowhere is your excellent point more evident than the pages accompanying Porcupine Tree songs. Just try expressing the view there that the music is superficial or that Steven Wilson is a vapid windbag. The place will erupt with zealous attacks on your philistine tastes and demands that you find a new radio station.
Porcupine Tree is a waste of eartime but I only get slammed if I say it rudely. It is possible to make a post about not liking some song without being nasty.
Ben Harper's a rock-solid 6 for me. Even after
And nowhere is your excellent point more evident than the pages accompanying Porcupine Tree songs. Just try expressing the view there that the music is superficial or that Steven Wilson is a vapid windbag. The place will erupt with zealous attacks on your philistine tastes and demands that you find a new radio station.
Porcupine Tree is a waste of eartime but I only get slammed if I say it rudely. It is possible to make a post about not liking some song without being nasty.
Ben Harper's a rock-solid 6 for me. Even after
I thought this was going to be Shady Grove by Mudcrutch from the sound of the bass line. Sounds almost indentical to me. Maybe Ben should sue!
"It Burns..."
Oh God, make it stop, please... 
Me like 'um.
Agreeing with Hannio, Excelsior wrote:
THANK YOU!!! It's about time someone else realized that the forums aren't supposed to be a 24-hour lovefest where dissenters aren't welcome.
and JesseDewey wrote:Indeed! I couldn't agree more. Enough of the feckless twits that are only comfortable with some false "..nice, nice.."
....
And nowhere is your excellent point more evident than the pages accompanying Porcupine Tree songs. Just try expressing the view there that the music is superficial or that Steven Wilson is a vapid windbag. The place will erupt with zealous attacks on your philistine tastes and demands that you find a new radio station.
yeah, not impressed with ben harper's attempt at bluegrass/folk. i'd rather hear Toshi Reagon.
NO MORE!!! PLEASE!!!!!!Damn it, why do we have to put up with this song so often?
Alright, this song was played yesterday at 2:35 PM, and I just checked the last 6 hours playlist and saw it was played AGAIN today at 4:26 AM. Less than 14 hours apart? Doesn't RP have thousands and thousands of songs at its disposal? Seriously, why the hell are dealing with this much repetition, especially of such a crappy song?
Excelsior wrote:
THANK YOU!!! It's about time someone else realized that the forums aren't supposed to be a 24-hour lovefest where dissenters aren't welcome.
Indeed! I couldn't agree more. Enough of the feckless twits that are only comfortable with some false "..nice, nice.."
Yet, I would do well to remember, even they may learn true music appreciation, with enough RP and time.
Hannio wrote:
I'll listen and I'll criticise, good or bad. That's what people do here. If you don't like it, you can leave.
THANK YOU!!! It's about time someone else realized that the forums aren't supposed to be a 24-hour lovefest where dissenters aren't welcome.
Hannio wrote:
I'll listen and I'll criticise, good or bad. That's what people do here. If you don't like it, you can leave.
Wow, Hannio, you're pretty defensive. Are you having a bad day? Don't take it out on Ben Harper! I meant no offense.
For the remake of Andy Warhol's "Sleep," the producers hire Norah Jones to write an arrangement of a Ben Harper song for Tracy Chapman to sing. Something monotonous and undynamic that will really capture that 3:35am comatose vibe...
Voilá. 
Jefecita wrote:
Then quit listening. Nobody is forcing you to tune in.
I'll listen and I'll criticise, good or bad. That's what people do here. If you don't like it, you can leave.
Then quit listening. Nobody is forcing you to tune in.
xkolibuul wrote:
Quit while you're ahead next time, amigo 
Or rather, quit before the hole gets any deeper...
A matter of opinion, I guess, but I'm not the only one who thinks Mumbly Ben sounds like he just got up from too long a nap. Maybe you need to be a lotophage to appreciate him.
xkolibuul wrote:
There is massive underappreciation of this song going on here. Me, I like it better every time I hear it.
I'm with you on that!
Dear Lord, do we have to be subjected to this crap EVERY DAMN DAY??
ArbiterOfGoodTaste wrote:
Sick of it.
This, times a million.
Make it stop!
I guess to Ben, fighting for liberty is not worth his time.
Sick of it.
Quit while you're ahead next time, amigo
Or rather, quit before the hole gets any deeper...
Hannio wrote:
It wasn't. In case there is any doubt, I'll repeat it. There is no passion in Ben Harper's singing. He feebly mumbles his way through his insipid songs, half-awake, or maybe half-stoned. There is no fire in his belly, at least what can be discerned audibly. His songs are nice enough, but he sings as if he doesn't care.
Hannio wrote:
It wasn't. In case there is any doubt, I'll repeat it. There is no passion in Ben Harper's singing. He feebly mumbles his way through his insipid songs, half-awake, or maybe half-stoned. There is no fire in his belly, at least what can be discerned audibly. His songs are nice enough, but he sings as if he doesn't care.
alux wrote:
I won't disagree with you provided your comment was intended to drip with sarcasm.
It wasn't. In case there is any doubt, I'll repeat it. There is no passion in Ben Harper's singing. He feebly mumbles his way through his insipid songs, half-awake, or maybe half-stoned. There is no fire in his belly, at least what can be discerned audibly. His songs are nice enough, but he sings as if he doesn't care.
nah. y'all gather without me.
I think Ben sings with great depth and passion. His lyrics are brave and he has a fantastic underground following. Love Ben!!!
I won't disagree with you provided your comment was intended to drip with sarcasm.
Hannio wrote:
Exactly. I think it's because of the lack of any emotional involvement in his singing. There's no passion.
Odyzzeuz wrote:
I just don't see the appeal of Ben Harper. To me his stuff is so empty.
Exactly. I think it's because of the lack of any emotional involvement in his singing. There's no passion.
dancingplanet wrote:
seemless transition from John Cougar mellencamp...
There's a reason for that ... jk ... not really.
I like most of Ben's stuff.
Just not this one in particular.
eezee here he comes...i like him!
i'm likin it.
seemless transition from John Cougar mellencamp...
xkolibuul wrote:
There is massive underappreciation of this song going on here. Me, I like it better every time I hear it.
That makes one of us.
Wow, that song is extraordinarily sucky.
I just don't see the appeal of Ben Harper. To me his stuff is so empty.
Kindred_Spirit wrote:
This song is cool..makes me want to gather round with some friends 
me too. and get stoned.
'till it bleeds an oil stream
Then you sail down upon it
In your killing machine"
Now that's a lyric.