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hippiechick
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:37pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: Thank you.
So, the only person I'm likely to catch it from is P - who's currently running a fever.
I would normally say no, but OK is one of the states that has cases of swine flu present, so better be safe than sorry.
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hobiejoe
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:35pm |
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Beanie wrote: I think you're absolutely right. This looks like panic for no good reason.
Except for one nasty little detail that no one is talking about.
The vast majority of the Mexicans who have died of this flu are young, healthy adults. Now, if you think about it, this doesn't make sense. Why should those in the population with the strongest immune systems doe of the flu? Flu is supposed to kill sickly babies and people with AIDS and little old ladies with emphysema. So why would healthy young people die of the flu?
Because they *aren't* dying of the flu. They're dying of a hyper-immune response to the flu. Something called a cytokine storm. It basically makes the body turn on itself, causing (among other things) severe high fevers and pneumonia.
We've seen this once before: the pandemic of 1918. That flu (the "Spanish Flu") killed almost 100 million people.
Is this flu going to be like that? Probably not. But because of the disease etiology, they're keeping a super-close eye on it.
Thank you Beanie, not something we've heard over here yet, although I did wonder a little at the quiet yet firm messages we've been getting from the gov't today. With our recent history in the UK (BSE, Foot'n'mouth, avian flu) and being a hub for worldwide aviation we're apparently world leaders in this kind of situation alongside your CDC, the French and the Germans.
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Beanie
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:35pm |
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samiyam wrote: I'm not sure Beanie is quite so accurate. The air in an airliner has been known to transmit many germs. You might consider putting a mask on but only once you're seated so that you don't freak the security wonks.
Remember that a mask is only good as long as it doesn't clog up with your breath moisture, so you need to change it every three hours or so.
OK, you do have a point. But I'll still submit you're more likely to catch it off the seat backs that others have touched than something airborne. But I guess the mask can't hurt. And you still need hand sanitizer.
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samiyam
Location: Moving North
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:31pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow?
I'm not sure Beanie is quite so accurate. The air in an airliner has been known to transmit many germs. You might consider putting a mask on but only once you're seated so that you don't freak the security wonks. Remember that a mask is only good as long as it doesn't clog up with your breath moisture, so you need to change it every three hours or so.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:31pm |
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Beanie wrote:
No.
CDC says it's spread by *close* contact: shaking hands or coughing on each other. Leave the mask home and take hand sanitizer.
Thank you. So, the only person I'm likely to catch it from is P - who's currently running a fever.
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Beanie
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:28pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow?
No. CDC says it's spread by *close* contact: shaking hands or coughing on each other. Leave the mask home and take hand sanitizer.
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bokey
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:26pm |
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oldslabsides wrote: I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow?
It depends. Are you buying a ticket or hijacking?
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:19pm |
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Beanie wrote: I think you're absolutely right. This looks like panic for no good reason.
Except for one nasty little detail that no one is talking about.
The vast majority of the Mexicans who have died of this flu are young, healthy adults. Now, if you think about it, this doesn't make sense. Why should those in the population with the strongest immune systems doe of the flu? Flu is supposed to kill sickly babies and people with AIDS and little old ladies with emphysema. So why would healthy young people die of the flu?
Because they *aren't* dying of the flu. They're dying of a hyper-immune response to the flu. Something called a cytokine storm. It basically makes the body turn on itself, causing (among other things) severe high fevers and pneumonia.
We've seen this once before: the pandemic of 1918. That flu (the "Spanish Flu") killed almost 100 million people.
Is this flu going to be like that? Probably not. But because of the disease etiology, they're keeping a super-close eye on it.
I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow?
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Beanie
Location: under the jellicle moon Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:16pm |
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exotraxx wrote:What I ask myself considering:
- The risk to become infected by this kind of influenza is much lower than the risk to be shot by someone cracking up with a gun in his hands.
- There are enough meds capable to combat the virus
- whereas it's unquestioned to own as many deadly guns as you like
- and therefore a risk to your life you take without any panic.
Why is there such a panic the US about an influenza virus?
I think you're absolutely right. This looks like panic for no good reason. Except for one nasty little detail that no one is talking about. The vast majority of the Mexicans who have died of this flu are young, healthy adults. Now, if you think about it, this doesn't make sense. Why should those in the population with the strongest immune systems doe of the flu? Flu is supposed to kill sickly babies and people with AIDS and little old ladies with emphysema. So why would healthy young people die of the flu? Because they *aren't* dying of the flu. They're dying of a hyper-immune response to the flu. Something called a cytokine storm. It basically makes the body turn on itself, causing (among other things) severe high fevers and pneumonia. We've seen this once before: the pandemic of 1918. That flu (the "Spanish Flu") killed almost 100 million people. Is this flu going to be like that? Probably not. But because of the disease etiology, they're keeping a super-close eye on it.
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bokey
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:15pm |
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Welly wrote:. . . . . . reminds me of a book I read in the 80s. . . . . I thought about this book yesterday when I told M to watch out for bears and Canadians. I should have added "And don't shake anyones hand who has been to Mexico recently and if you do for God's sake don't spread the plague to Alaska. "
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SantaFeGrace
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:07pm |
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hippiechick wrote: We're a nervous bunch.
Funny, but true! A friend just got sent home from work at a plasma center. He's fine but his temperature is 100 degrees. I wonder if he will get paid sick time - he just started working there two weeks ago...
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AliGator
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:05pm |
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Welly wrote:......reminds me of a book I read in the 80s..... My favorite Stephen King.
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Welly
Location: Lotusland Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 3:02pm |
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......reminds me of a book I read in the 80s.....
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kctomato
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Apr 27, 2009 - 2:59pm |
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exotraxx wrote:Why is there such a panic the US about an influenza virus? Because fear sells pharmaceuticals. Shocks over such issues are created with the intention of being able to push through unpopular reforms in the wake of the crisis. "should we give up individual's rights for the good of the state?"
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 2:58pm |
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exotraxx wrote:What I ask myself considering:
- The risk to become infected by this kind of influenza is much lower than the risk to be shot by someone cracking up with a gun in his hands.
- There are enough meds capable to combat the virus
- whereas it's unquestioned to own as many deadly guns as you like
- and therefore a risk to your life you take without any panic.
Why is there such a panic the US about an influenza virus?
We're a nervous bunch.
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 2:17pm |
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betterdaze wrote:No vaccine, but it seems to be susceptible to two antiviral drugs,oseltamivir and zanamivir. Thorough handwashing will be the best prevention. Pay attention to areas often missed- between fingers, entire nail areas, and the palm pad opposite the thumb side. Also, stay more than the normally recommended 3 feet from people with flu symptoms.
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betterdaze
Location: Here. Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 2:15pm |
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No vaccine, but it seems to be susceptible to two antiviral drugs,oseltamivir and zanamivir. Thorough handwashing will be the best prevention. Pay attention to areas often missed- between fingers, entire nail areas, and the palm pad opposite the thumb side. Also, stay more than the normally recommended 3 feet from people with flu symptoms.
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Apr 27, 2009 - 1:39pm |
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glassbuteo wrote:Didn't realize how very serious this is until talking with BHD- pretty wild- everyone wash those hands and cover your coughs... Drs. are recommending frequent usage of hand sanitizer.
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BlueHeronDruid
Location: Заебани сме луѓе
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Apr 27, 2009 - 12:41pm |
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evenso wrote: It is possibly preventable with existing and special vaccines. (It has been proposed that the reason elderly and younger people are less effected is that they are more likely to have gotten the general flue vaccine.) But the jury is out on that one.
Corrections, additions?
According to the CDC: "The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses." and "The seasonal influenza vaccine will likely help provide partial protection against swine H3N2, but not swine H1N1 viruses."
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