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sirdroseph
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Sep 4, 2009 - 3:17pm |
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romeotuma wrote:
I think you are mistaken, Doc... I think most of what is taught is readin' and writin' and mathematics... society changes, and it is not liberal or conservative... a while back, women could not vote— do you think that was a liberal shift?
When I was in high school, we had smoking sections outside the hall doors... any students over 16 could smoke, and they never enforced it, so anybody could smoke... I used to go outside when I was 15 and smoke cigarettes all the time... now, if they catch a kid smoking under the age of 18, they take away the driver's license until the student reaches 18... this is certainly an infringement on student rights, don't you think? Is it good or bad? Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda...
you folks are getting too hyperbolic with the Big Changes, and it just sounds like the sky is falling chicken little paranoia...
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musik_knut
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Sep 4, 2009 - 3:04pm |
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romeotuma wrote: So everything has changed in the last seven months? that's nutz...
romeo, No. US History books of the past two decades or so...slowly but surely moving to a liberal beat. In the US History text most commonly used through much of The US, there is one mention of US Grant, one of Robert E. Lee, two of President Lincoln...and 20+ of the gay right's movement...that my friend, is an agenda on display. That is not teaching students how this country came to be. That is the dismissal by omission, as some black educators interested only in Afro-centric studies once called them, of 'old, dead, white European males'. mk
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sirdroseph
Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 3:01pm |
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musik_knut wrote:
But, are they exposed to 'both'? If you look at US History text books for school kids, you find a growing portrait of America that concentrates on the negative, the failures, the liberal thought, rather than who/what/where/when/why...it's an insidious form of indoctrination and without exposure to the fullness of our history, you will find a common thought suggesting The US is a land of hate, crime, xenophobia and war mongers...for starters.
How bout the years from the early 1600s to the 1970s. Is that enough time exposed to the homogenous white POV??
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zipper
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:57pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:I got 8th grade civics classes from some RightWingNutZ that would make Zipper blanch. And yet... edit: I just had a flashback... Bob died last winter but he was an amazing jerk. But in 8th grade he spent a month teaching kids what was great about America with a session on "Diseases of the Third World." Kids had to be able to identify symptoms of elephantiasis etc. Dude was odd. yeah, well, it ain't about me. ;) But, as for me, the louder the left yells and the harder they push, the further right I position myself.
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musik_knut
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:54pm |
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sirdroseph wrote:I grew up in the "Birthplace of the War of Northun Aggreshun" and yet I am a social progressive. We all have our own minds from the beginning; some are more "pliable" and open to suggestion than others. I feel confident that our children can be exposed to both right wing facists and left wing socialist and still make up their own minds. But, are they exposed to 'both'? If you look at US History text books for school kids, you find a growing portrait of America that concentrates on the negative, the failures, the liberal thought, rather than who/what/where/when/why...it's an insidious form of indoctrination and without exposure to the fullness of our history, you will find a common thought suggesting The US is a land of hate, crime, xenophobia and war mongers...for starters.
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:54pm |
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sirdroseph wrote:I grew up in the "Birthplace of the War of Northun Aggreshun" and yet I am a social progressive. We all have our own minds from the beginning; some are more "pliable" and open to suggestion than others. I feel confident that our children can be exposed to both right wing facists and left wing socialist and still make up their own minds. Go Kids!
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
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sirdroseph
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:48pm |
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I grew up in the "Birthplace of the War of Northun Aggreshun" and yet I am a social progressive. We all have our own minds from the beginning; some are more "pliable" and open to suggestion than others. I feel confident that our children can be exposed to both right wing facists and left wing socialist and still make up their own minds.
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pjcle
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:41pm |
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I would be happy for my child to watch that speech (oh wait... I don't have any children. But I've been so danged busy doing other things).
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ScottFromWyoming
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:34pm |
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I got 8th grade civics classes from some RightWingNutZ that would make Zipper blanch. And yet... edit: I just had a flashback... Bob died last winter but he was an amazing jerk. But in 8th grade he spent a month teaching kids what was great about America with a session on "Diseases of the Third World." Kids had to be able to identify symptoms of elephantiasis etc. Dude was odd.
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buzz
Location: up the boohai
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:31pm |
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romeotuma wrote: people that wont use their real names have 0 credibility
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zipper
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:31pm |
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Painted_Turtle wrote: Here in MN, the school district might choose the option to show the speech in a seperate room.
If the student wishes to watch it they are free to go to that room & do so.
The parents are also given the option to request that their child not hear or view it. (so in that case the parents would be making that choice for the student)
...are students ever fully capable of making free choices...since they aren't of the age of consent yet? Sounds like a loaded question to me...
ok, you're all over the place here. Your school districts might offer segregated viewings? Is that true, or are you guessing? Parents are supposed to make choices for their own minor children, especially regarding indoctrination. Which question is loaded, and who asked it?
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musik_knut
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:30pm |
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Painted_Turtle wrote: Here in MN, the school district might choose the option to show the speech in a seperate room.
If the student wishes to watch it they are free to go to that room & do so.
The parents are also given the option to request that their child not hear or view it. (so in that case the parents would be making that choice for the student)
...are students ever fully capable of making free choices...since they aren't of the age of consent yet? Sounds like a loaded question to me...
Which, if no recourse is afforded them and they must 'participate', then they are a captive audience for a President with an agenda...that is where the danger is to be found,
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Painted_Turtle
Location: Land of Laughing Waters Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:26pm |
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zipper wrote:
I read that school districts can opt out. I also read that some schools, I think NY was mentioned, aren't yet in session. If it's determined by the school district, as you said, then how is that a student's fully free choice?
Here in MN, the school district might choose the option to show the speech in a seperate room. If the student wishes to watch it they are free to go to that room & do so. The parents are also given the option to request that their child not hear or view it. (so in that case the parents would be making that choice for the student) ...are students ever fully capable of making free choices...since they aren't of the age of consent yet? Sounds like a loaded question to me...
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zipper
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:20pm |
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Painted_Turtle wrote:
???? is there some specific activity where indoctrination is inserted? And is it a requirment that the students participate?
I have heard that students won't even be required to watch or listen to the speech. That its fully free choice, determined school district by school district. That's the way its being done here in Minnesota, perhaps your state is different..
I read that school districts can opt out. I also read that some schools, I think NY was mentioned, aren't yet in session. If it's determined by the school district, as you said, then how is that a student's fully free choice? edit: as for the specific activity re indoctrination, I mentioned a couple of specificities already below. I'm not going to post the entire document and highlight it for you. It's all there for your own eyes.
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Painted_Turtle
Location: Land of Laughing Waters Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:14pm |
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zipper wrote: dude... wait. O apostrophe who? are you on crack? I don't do crack...what's your problem
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Painted_Turtle
Location: Land of Laughing Waters Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:12pm |
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zipper wrote: Whoa, kids can vote in MA? Seriously, the teachers were instructed to wear them? Did you see the letter from the Sec of Ed to the nation's principals regarding the historic speech? Note the follow-up classroom activities listed under question 3. Despite the fact that few kids will be paying attention to the speech, all of them will be required to participate in projects to discuss and explain what they learned from the president's words. We can rest assured that it will amount to blatant partisan indoctrination. Painted_Turtle wrote:What specific activity is full of the blatant partisan indoctrination? Are you sure there is a requirment for participation? ???? is there some specific activity where indoctrination is inserted? And is it a requirment that the students participate?
I have heard that students won't even be required to watch or listen to the speech. That its fully free choice, determined school district by school district. That's the way its being done here in Minnesota, perhaps your state is different..
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buzz
Location: up the boohai
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:10pm |
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Painted_Turtle wrote:
That was a pretty weird article. The video in the article is not the same as the proposed O'bama speech.
Do you suppose people in Utah (maybe the Mormons) were mixing the two seperate events in their minds; since they happened the same week? I didnt say they were the same. I said they hit at the same time.
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zipper
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:09pm |
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Painted_Turtle wrote:
That was a pretty weird article. The video in the article is not the same as the proposed O'bama speech.
Do you suppose people in Utah (maybe the Mormons) were mixing the two seperate events in their minds; since they happened the same week?
dude... wait. O apostrophe who? are you on crack?
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Painted_Turtle
Location: Land of Laughing Waters Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:07pm |
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buzz wrote:One reason people are upset about the Obama speech is that it was announced the same week this came out. That was a pretty weird article. The video in the article is not the same as the proposed O'bama speech.
Do you suppose people in Utah (maybe the Mormons) were mixing the two seperate events in their minds; since they happened the same week?
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musik_knut
Location: Third Stone From The Sun Gender:
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Sep 4, 2009 - 2:06pm |
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zipper wrote: Previous presidents didn't attach a student curriculum to their speeches.
No. And that's just part of the wide difference between previous Presidents addressing students and President Obama's study guidelines, many of them focused on him.
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