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EleventhMan

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:37pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Isn't that what was done to Bush? {#Stupid}

 
more importantly, would Bush know or have any understanding of it?  or would he just head off to still more vacation?

EleventhMan

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:36pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

I bet if you asked him he'd say what he did was very honorable. And in interviews he gets all self-righteous about it; he sees himself as having done the dirty work that kept the rest of us safe.

He seems utterly blind to the harm he did; that it isn't just him that's tainted by his actions, but all of us. That it wasn't just unpleasant, it was wrong. This isn't uncommon among people as ambitious as him. They seem to be unable to separate the things they want to defend from the ambition that drives them to be in charge of defending it. That anything goes if your motive is pure.

So yeah, I think he's well acquainted with the idea of honor. He sees honor as a tribal loyalty that he holds sacred, when what we needed was loyalty to a set of ideals. I don't see him as evil, just not up to the task he took on. It needed somebody who thought bigger and saw farther, Lincoln instead of Nixon. Instead we got...Dick.
 
I agree with you...if you asked HIM he believes he's right, honorable and just.  I agree again that he's blind to his own limitation of his abilities.  I can think of some other madmen who fit that bill too..."pureness" of intent has gotten sent more than one leader/autocrat off the rails, here's another classic case.  Remind you of anyone? 

 I said it years ago, I'll repeat it now:  the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes.

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:32pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?

  Isn't that what was done to Bush? {#Stupid}


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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:31pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
 Zep wrote:



Cheney’s speech contained omissions and misstatements

You mean he like ALL other politicians? {#Mrgreen}
 

 
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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:29pm

 Zep wrote:




Cheney’s speech contained omissions and misstatements

You mean he like ALL other politicians? {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:24pm

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A coup ?  You are kidding, aren't you ?  That's some real wild Conspiracy Theory you have there.  And as for attacking the guy in office, well the Dems did it to Bush for 8 years.  Openly praying that Bush's policies would fail and doing everything possible to undermine his policies by declaring defeat in Iraq and other acts of malice towards that end (pot, kettle) and harrasing him for stealing the election(S).

Could Cheney's motive be that he really believes what he says ?  Could it be as simple as that ?  He has nothing to gain at this point in his life that I know of.  And a coup ?  Come on, where should I send the tin foil for your hat ?

 
The Bush Administration (mostly in the hands of Cheney/Rumsfeld) worked very hard to create their own reality, and Dick is just continuing to carry the torch for that. Since 9/11 they have twisted the truth, made up stories, lied, slandered, destroyed careers, manipulated the media, created havoc, bombed villages, tortured humans, and generally mislead the American and world public.

What makes you think he would go quietly into his cave and not say a word. He wants the final say! He wants you to believe his stories, not the truth. He has been doing this for 8 years.

And Kurt, I believe that Cheney & Co. were planning a coup of the government in the event that McCain/Palin got elected. They would get rid of McCain and use Palin just like they used W, to run a shadow government behind a figurehead dummy.

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:20pm

 EleventhMan wrote:


interesting.....honor.....hmm.. I doubt that's a word Cheney has any understanding of let alone acquaintance with its defense....at least not according to the dictionary the rest of us use...
 
I bet if you asked him he'd say what he did was very honorable. And in interviews he gets all self-righteous about it; he sees himself as having done the dirty work that kept the rest of us safe.

He seems utterly blind to the harm he did; that it isn't just him that's tainted by his actions, but all of us. That it wasn't just unpleasant, it was wrong. This isn't uncommon among people as ambitious as him. They seem to be unable to separate the things they want to defend from the ambition that drives them to be in charge of defending it. That anything goes if your motive is pure.

So yeah, I think he's well acquainted with the idea of honor. He sees honor as a tribal loyalty that he holds sacred, when what we needed was loyalty to a set of ideals. I don't see him as evil, just not up to the task he took on. It needed somebody who thought bigger and saw farther, Lincoln instead of Nixon. Instead we got...Dick.

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 1:05pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?

 
funny what clarity we have in seeing wrongs done to 'our guy', when Bush was in office criticism wasn't 'treason' it was honorable 'dissent'..i don't see Cheney as attacking Obama, he wants the record set straight. 8 years of slander that Bush did not answer. To his credit, Obama is following Bush's foreign policy, reversing his campaign rhetoric in several areas. Guantanamo may be next...

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:59pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason.  

I dunno about that. The punditocracy (over there in the corner next to the idiotocracy) was saying just that when, in the early years of Bush.43, any criticism of the president was tantamount to treason due to the state of war(s). 

I am not going back there. This is a free-wheeling spit-in-your-face democracy. 

Edit - sorry in advance to members of the idiotocracy, no offense-by-association intended.
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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:59pm

 kurtster wrote:


A coup ?  You are kidding, aren't you ?  That's some real wild Conspiracy Theory you have there.  And as for attacking the guy in office, well the Dems did it to Bush for 8 years.  Openly praying that Bush's policies would fail and doing everything possible to undermine his policies by declaring defeat in Iraq and other acts of malice towards that end (pot, kettle) and harrasing him for stealing the election(S).

Could Cheney's motive be that he really believes what he says ?  Could it be as simple as that ?  He has nothing to gain at this point in his life that I know of.  And a coup ?  Come on, where should I send the tin foil for your hat ?

 

I agree, I  think that he is just wrong, evil and true to his beliefs.{#Yes}


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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:53pm

 kurtster wrote:
Could Cheney's motive be that he really believes what he says ?  Could it be as simple as that ?  He has nothing to gain at this point in his life that I know of.  And a coup ?  Come on, where should I send the tin foil for your hat ?
 
He does face the judgment of history.  The impressions of the Bush years, once past, will fade and be replaced by a sober, balanced assessment of where that presidency began, and where it ended, and what the results were. It's never too early to start spinning that. 


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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:30pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?

 

A coup ?  You are kidding, aren't you ?  That's some real wild Conspiracy Theory you have there.  And as for attacking the guy in office, well the Dems did it to Bush for 8 years.  Openly praying that Bush's policies would fail and doing everything possible to undermine his policies by declaring defeat in Iraq and other acts of malice towards that end (pot, kettle) and harrasing him for stealing the election(S).

Could Cheney's motive be that he really believes what he says ?  Could it be as simple as that ?  He has nothing to gain at this point in his life that I know of.  And a coup ?  Come on, where should I send the tin foil for your hat ?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:05pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 
You can't commit treason in a press interview. Cheney is entitled to say what's on his mind.

He's defending his honor. Obama has called the acts he authorized morally repugnant and counterproductive, and Cheney sees them as his legacy.
 
He has none, IMO.

EleventhMan

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:05pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?
 
You can't commit treason in a press interview. Cheney is entitled to say what's on his mind.

He's defending his honor. Obama has called the acts he authorized morally repugnant and counterproductive, and Cheney sees them as his legacy.
 


interesting.....honor.....hmm.. I doubt that's a word Cheney has any understanding of let alone acquaintance with its defense....at least not according to the dictionary the rest of us use...

EleventhMan

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 12:00pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?

 
  I don't think he ever got the memo that he's not president anymore (what with hiding out all those years playing real-life spy vs. spy)... 

..and yes, I know what I typed....

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 11:59am

 cc_rider wrote:
Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?
 
You can't commit treason in a press interview. Cheney is entitled to say what's on his mind.

He's defending his honor. Obama has called the acts he authorized morally repugnant and counterproductive, and Cheney sees them as his legacy.

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 11:38am

Some of the things the ex-veep is saying seem dangerously close to treason. I can't quote chapter and verse, but his attacks on The President's policy changes appear to be pure fear-mongering, with no discernible redeeming value. What possible motive can he have at this point? The American People elected a new President. The new guy disagrees with the old guy(s): that is not unusual in the least. What is Cheney trying to do? Undermine the credibility of the President? For what ends? Is he planning a coup? He has the resources to attempt it, what with his ties to the military industrial complex and its merry band of mercenaries. I understand he disagrees with the new administration's policies, but what possible motive can he have with these aggressive attacks?
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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 8:29am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
3rd floor: just past the bridal registry, next to the perfume counter. They're having a demo on support hose, watch out for the runway models.
 
Dyslexia:

"Runaway models...."




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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 8:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

3rd floor: just past the bridal registry, next to the perfume counter. They're having a demo on support hose, watch out for the runway models.
 
How much are you getting paid for that?

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Posted: May 22, 2009 - 8:25am

 Zep wrote:

We have a torture section here at RP now?

 
3rd floor: just past the bridal registry, next to the perfume counter. They're having a demo on support hose, watch out for the runway models.

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