kurtster wrote:
Hence the big beautiful wall, etc. 

 haresfur wrote:

It's what psychopaths do.

 kurtster wrote:

No, the problem with trump is that he used abject cruelty as a form of terrorism.

 miamizsun wrote: 
I am all for immigration reform.  Let's change the laws and live with them, whatever the final decision is.  This is not the first time I have said this.  I have said this all along since I've been here.

But, it doesn't matter because the laws are ignored by those who are in charge of enforcing them.

New laws will still be ignored and chaos wins, again ...

That was the problem with Trump.  He actually tried to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

Tucker Carlson says it’s immigrants, “not unvaccinated Americans who are clogging” emergency rooms
Carlson: “He’s blaming it on people who didn’t get the shot? Many of whom have natural immunity and are less likely to get sick than a vaccinated person from COVID? What a lie”

q: what is the best way to stop illegal immigration?
a: legalize it

btw, this has applications outside of immigration/moving

• Media Matters: Charlie Kirk: “Deputize a citizen force, put them on the border” in order to protect “white demographics in America.”
• Michael Luciano @ Mediaite: Tucker Carlson Goes All In On ‘The Great Replacement’ Theory, Says Biden Wants To ‘Change the Racial Mix Of the Country.’

It's not too late

speaking of immigration, spare a thought for these poor people
Forceably relocated not just once but twice and now with no ownership rights to their new home that overseas interests literally want to dig up and ship to aluminum foundries in China.

 Lazy8 wrote:

See, the Australian Government touts how they stopped the boats (through imprisoning refugees in cruel conditions) but it's more or less ok for refugees to arrive by plane. Well, people who arrived by boat used to be able to stay until their claim is denied and the government tries to send them back. Except by that time they have settled in the remote community of Biloela, got jobs, volunteered, and had kids. So faced with injunctions on deportation, they keep the whole family imprisoned for years in an offshore refugee camp that is kept open just for them, costing the country millions of dollars and doing nothing except denying the kids all semblance of a normal childhood upbringing and destroying the family's mental health. 

I think I have the facts correct. I might have missed a detail or two. But at least we don't have any swimmers anymore.

Addendum: I don't understand why the Tamil part of Southern India isn't doing everything they can to provide a safe haven for Sri Lanka refugees. But you know, you need to deal with the facts on the ground and treat people with decency.

 islander wrote:
Clearly oppressive regimes will collapse without swimmers, but walkers are expendable.

 miamizsun wrote:
So what exactly the Cuban government done to persecute refugees who are turned back?

How about removing all the economic sanctions against Cuba?    Or, given the turn in the direction of corporate fascism, has the USA lost faith in the power of free markets?  

The sanctions against Venezuela appear to have given the Maduro regime a second lease on life.   Was that the original purpose?  To support the Maduro regime?  

Or was the purpose of the US government to deliberately hurt ordinary Venezuelan citizens?  

 Lazy8 wrote:
Well, it's an island, surrounded by big water...

 islander wrote:

...which only works on Cuba. With every other country accepting their refugees only encourage the regime.

 haresfur wrote:

Something something something, weaken their hold on power...

 miamizsun wrote:

Well, I don't understand having a Cuba-specific immigration policy, anyway.

 Lazy8 wrote:

i know, and they still don't get it

of course i've been accused of being immune/insensitive to stupid political policy

if someone is willing to take that kind of risk to make a better life, why would we ever deny them that opportunity?

 miamizsun wrote:
...and absolutely nothing new.

past few days we've seen some people desperate to leave cuba "hail mary" rafting trying to reach the usa

people spotted them just drifting out at sea

and we're repatriating them to cuba?

the cuban government isn't going to be kind and will probably persecute them 

wtf? makes no sense and is a blatant human rights violation

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Ignore the hype: Latin American immigration is (still) the city’s greatest strength.