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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 7:57am

 Coaxial wrote:

So sorry. My condolences.

 
me too

sorry to hear this

peace
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 7:14am

 ColdMiser wrote:
This is great stuff Kurt. I'm also in a vinyl re-discovery phase. For years I had my collection in a closet upstairs being un-used. I got used to the convenience of the CD and thereafter the digital download. Thru some Facebook stuff I stumbled upon a group that LIVES for vinyl and I began to get the yen to get my old turntable out and start spinning some of my lost music. When I did get the turntable out it didn't work anymore and my lazy ways returned. I eventually bought a low budget table and a toy to convert to digital. Alas my low level tech skills didn't get me up and running and frustrated I bagged it for another day. 

Recently after my wife passed and I was cleaning out a hutch/bookcase of the million cookbooks she had I decided to get the old records out of the closet and downstairs where I would be more apt to use them. I bought a cheapo little cabinet to put it on, got the old ADS speakers hooked up to my fairly new TEAC tuner and away we go. I've been re-living my teenage years pulling out stuff that I used to crank out of my bedroom back in the day. For me it's about the music and the discovery of stuff that hasn't been in my ears in DECADES. It's like being re-born.

For now I'm happy with my equipment but definitely plan to layout some hard earned $$$ on something better down the road so I can really get the best out of my listening experience. I may even give my hand a try at another conversion toy so I have more tunes to use in my mixed tape world. If only they would come up with a turntable for the car that doesn't skip {#Bananajam}

 
So sorry. My condolences.
kurtster

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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 7:00am

 ColdMiser wrote:
This is great stuff Kurt. I'm also in a vinyl re-discovery phase. For years I had my collection in a closet upstairs being un-used. I got used to the convenience of the CD and thereafter the digital download. Thru some Facebook stuff I stumbled upon a group that LIVES for vinyl and I began to get the yen to get my old turntable out and start spinning some of my lost music. When I did get the turntable out it didn't work anymore and my lazy ways returned. I eventually bought a low budget table and a toy to convert to digital. Alas my low level tech skills didn't get me up and running and frustrated I bagged it for another day. 

Recently after my wife passed and I was cleaning out a hutch/bookcase of the million cookbooks she had I decided to get the old records out of the closet and downstairs where I would be more apt to use them. I bought a cheapo little cabinet to put it on, got the old ADS speakers hooked up to my fairly new TEAC tuner and away we go. I've been re-living my teenage years pulling out stuff that I used to crank out of my bedroom back in the day. For me it's about the music and the discovery of stuff that hasn't been in my ears in DECADES. It's like being re-born.

For now I'm happy with my equipment but definitely plan to layout some hard earned $$$ on something better down the road so I can really get the best out of my listening experience. I may even give my hand a try at another conversion toy so I have more tunes to use in my mixed tape world. If only they would come up with a turntable for the car that doesn't skip {#Bananajam}

 
Thanks.

Yep, the buckies.  Well, if you know you're gonna do it, then figure out what you need and slowly acquire it and before you know it, you're there.  Sorta how I did it.  I will say that I got really lucky with the AT15ss that I bought.  It was virtually unused as stated.  Worth every penny.  The cart is the most important piece in the chain.  This is what I was going to buy if I couldn't score the AT.  Highly regarded and I have bought stuff from these guys.  The shibata stylus is key.  Won't use anything else.   And don't forget to get one of these overhang gauges.  Best and simplest set up tool, especially for S style tonearms.

Then get a good turntable.  Like I mentioned below, I'm after a Techniques SL 1200.  $300 to $1000 used, but easy to find.  But, they are built like the brick shit house and do not loose their value.  They will pretty much always be worth what you paid for it.  The Audio Technica may look just like it, but its not even close.  Forget the built in USB turntables.  Pretty much toys imo and you're stuck with whatever the onboard DAC is.

Start with this though.  The least expensive piece and very critical.

I recommend the ART USB phono preamp.  More detailed info here.  My work horse for 10 years.  Gonna buy the new one just because, it might be time.  The DAC is 16 bit 41,000 khz which is standard CD.  You can plug anything that has RCA connectors in it and it is bi directional, so you can use it for playback or headphones if you like.  Good to use if your receiver doesn't have a phono input as well.  Bus powered so ground loops don't exist at all.  That is a big problem with turntables to computer hook ups.  I don't know about the software currently offered, but Audacity is great and free. The ART works with virtually any recording software.  So get it and play with it, get familiar with it.

One warning though.  I strongly suggest making a separate user on your computer just for this purpose.  For some reason, it messes with the soundcard in that it can change settings and be very frustrating until you get to know the work arounds and fixes.  The settings changes seem to stay isolated on the one user more often than not.  That's the reason for a separate user.

And go for it.  No different from using your LP as a master for a cassette like back in the day.  Play your rip instead of the vinyl and keep it nice for future uses.


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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 5:12am

This is great stuff Kurt. I'm also in a vinyl re-discovery phase. For years I had my collection in a closet upstairs being un-used. I got used to the convenience of the CD and thereafter the digital download. Thru some Facebook stuff I stumbled upon a group that LIVES for vinyl and I began to get the yen to get my old turntable out and start spinning some of my lost music. When I did get the turntable out it didn't work anymore and my lazy ways returned. I eventually bought a low budget table and a toy to convert to digital. Alas my low level tech skills didn't get me up and running and frustrated I bagged it for another day. 

Recently after my wife passed and I was cleaning out a hutch/bookcase of the million cookbooks she had I decided to get the old records out of the closet and downstairs where I would be more apt to use them. I bought a cheapo little cabinet to put it on, got the old ADS speakers hooked up to my fairly new TEAC tuner and away we go. I've been re-living my teenage years pulling out stuff that I used to crank out of my bedroom back in the day. For me it's about the music and the discovery of stuff that hasn't been in my ears in DECADES. It's like being re-born.

For now I'm happy with my equipment but definitely plan to layout some hard earned $$$ on something better down the road so I can really get the best out of my listening experience. I may even give my hand a try at another conversion toy so I have more tunes to use in my mixed tape world. If only they would come up with a turntable for the car that doesn't skip {#Bananajam}
kurtster

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Posted: May 12, 2016 - 10:49am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Well I sure noticed the audio quality of you last mixtape so you must be on to something!

 
Yes, my fellow RPMCC members, y'all have suffered through the evolution of my remastering and ripping.  I think I have finally figured things out for the most part.  I think I finally know what I'm doing and getting it rather than going through a process and hoping it works out.  And I'm getting more conservative in the way I do it.

Getting back into vinyl with the record cleaning machine and finally getting my dream cartridge,  two new original AT 20N styluses for backup, and a decent chain between the turntable to puter, I'm hearing stuff with such clarity and the music is sounding new again.  Way back when I first started playing with music and my first trip to Portland to meet hippie and being taught how to do this stuff, the goal was to just to clean things up and get digital to sound analogue.  Now with the vinyl food chain solidly in place and 8 years of practice, I am reminded of just how good vinyl sounds and why it is different and the direction that my remastering should go or what it should sound like in the end.

On the last mixtape, perhaps the track I'm proudest of is the Canned Heat track.  It has life again rather than just a stale, dry, been there, done that song.

That said, one of the things I think that I now believe is why so many will argue that vinyl is better than digital is because why it sounds different.  Cuz it definitely does, because it is different just because of the way it is mastered.  I can only speak of vinyl made up to the 90's, but going back to the 60's, everything was made to sound its best on vinyl and everyone had to find ways of adjusting their ears and equipment to make it sound good, to the plugged in listener.  Broadcasting has its sweetening as everyone knows, hardly anyone listened to anything 'flat', that is with no EQ.  Now I listen to everything flat and its my yardstick to begin with.

So with CD's nobody knew how to master for them and the early stuff was basically a straight copy from the artist's masters.  That's great and all, but mastering for vinyl is a very active process that requires respecting the medium and making adjusts on the fly while cutting lacquers.  

One of the fruits of my visit to who I consider to be a new friend and enabler   at the record store I visited yesterday was that he is so deep into vinyl that he knows who mastered which vinyl and which pressings of the same album.  Me, I always stoked when I opened a record and found STERLING stamped on the runout.  You just knew it was gonna be good.  But I more paid attention to who the engineers were, like Bruce Botnick, who was behind The Doors.  So to get to the point, everyone was just into frequency response and didn't pay enough attention to what vinyl really sounded like.  Which is actually good sitting here from my point of view, cuz it likes working with the tape masters before anyone started playing with the sound as digital tools became available.  I want the early unremastered CD's because of that if I'm going to actually buy one.

With that thinking I put out the conclusion I came up with a couple of months ago cuz of what I have been doing and listening to, that the industry should have made the highest quality vinyl pressing and recorded it for the CD master.  I say that because my vinyl rips sound like vinyl, not something digital.  So its not because something is digital, its still what is the source of the digital recording.  My new friend agreed at hello.

So with all this, I'm starting over and gonna redo a lot of the 500 + songs I've already done and focus on the vinyl if I have a good piece to work with versus my CD copy.  I'll have to send you a file update soon

I'm so stoked about what is unfolding that I'm putting my ripping on hold until I get a new scrubbing brush that he turned me onto gets here from England (and I went through RP to get there) and I find a way to get that Techniques 1200 from him.  That and trying to market the eyecleaner.

Eventually I'll somehow share some of the 'results' that I used to share in the journals.  But to keep it to a dull roar and off the radar, I'll keep the links private and available by pm.  They will be wav files and its up to everyone to figure out what to do with them on their own.

I think ...

 


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Posted: May 12, 2016 - 9:39am

 kurtster wrote:
So the journals sadly seem to be a thing of the past ... with that I'll kinda carry mine on in here.  Gave it a lot of thought, but what the hay, lots-o-peeps have their own threads, so why not me.  No poly stuff in here from me, that goes other places and quite truthfully I'm trying to find things to do so I keep the TVoid off and me on the rails.  

I seem to be embarking into my second childhood with music.  I'm pretty beat up and half dead after all the stuff I've been through the past 8 or so years, but and its a big but ... as a kid I envisioned / feared being 60 something might end up being nothing but Geritol commercials, accordions and bubble machines.  I really hoped it would end up more like being able to sit out on the front porch with a corncob pipe, baking and still listening to LZ's When The Levy Breaks loud and still loving it.  And that's how it seems to be going so far, thank gawd.

So there's going to be a lot of stuff about what I'm finding out and figuring out about vinyl again after 50 years of collecting, ripping and making mixtapes all in the quest of indulging in ear candy. 

I'm going to move some of my posts from other threads and park them here so I can keep this stuff in one basket, too.  This will also be a chronicle of my attempt to turn a passion / hobby into something a little more.

Site under construction, more to come ... comments welcome, use your own judgement, after all these years, I ain't afraid.

{#Cheers} 

 




Well I sure noticed the audio quality of you last mixtape so you must be on to something!
kurtster

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Posted: May 12, 2016 - 9:31am

So the journals sadly seem to be a thing of the past ... with that I'll kinda carry mine on in here.  Gave it a lot of thought, but what the hay, lots-o-peeps have their own threads, so why not me.  No poly stuff in here from me, that goes other places and quite truthfully I'm trying to find things to do so I keep the TVoid off and me on the rails.  

I seem to be embarking into my second childhood with music.  I'm pretty beat up and half dead after all the stuff I've been through the past 8 or so years, but and its a big but ... as a kid I envisioned / feared being 60 something might end up being nothing but Geritol commercials, accordions and bubble machines.  I really hoped it would end up more like being able to sit out on the front porch with a corncob pipe, baking and still listening to LZ's When The Levy Breaks loud and still loving it.  And that's how it seems to be going so far, thank gawd.

So there's going to be a lot of stuff about what I'm finding out and figuring out about vinyl again after 50 years of collecting, ripping and making mixtapes all in the quest of indulging in ear candy. 

I'm going to move some of my posts from other threads and park them here so I can keep this stuff in one basket, too.  This will also be a chronicle of my attempt to turn a passion / hobby into something a little more.

Site under construction, more to come ... comments welcome, use your own judgement, after all these years, I ain't afraid.

{#Cheers} 
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