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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 4:33pm

 Animal-Farm wrote: SUPPRESSED!
* because Trump being a dick would never get aired on those media outlets.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 4:09pm

 westslope wrote:

Why should I watch this?  Please explain what it is.



Trump explaining his view 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 3:51pm

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Kharkiv is on fire, Russian terrorists shelled a children's hospital, a blood donation center, houses, factories, cars...
The civilians I knew were killed, the parents of colleagues were left homeless, some were injured in the blood transfusion center.
This is genocide, terrorism and a crime against humanity. Fights are underway! We will defend our city, truth and God are behind us! Thanks to everyone who supports us! Pray for Ukraine 🙏

I am in safe.






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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 3:38pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
Why should I watch this?  Please explain what it is.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 3:22pm

I know CNN & MSNBC never aired this, so I figured I would. Spot on, don't you think?
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 12:25pm

 Steely_D wrote:

So we need to avoid any of the media that's still trying to pit us against each other with speculation and name calling. Get back to a united front.


The evil media. Enemies of the people.


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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 12:19pm

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So to all of you foreign policy experts who blame the invasion on Trump, Trump being Putin's bitch and all, why did Putin wait to invade with "toe to toe with Putin" Biden as POTUS ?  You would think that he would have done it long ago when Trump was in office since Trump had his back, no ?


He might have waited, just to see if Donnie could damage NATO and piss off allies more.  
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 11:35am

 kurtster wrote:

So to all of you foreign policy experts who blame the invasion on Trump, Trump being Putin's bitch and all, why did Putin wait to invade with "toe to toe with Putin" Biden as POTUS ?  You would think that he would have done it long ago when Trump was in office since Trump had his back, no ?


Why now? There are those who are insisting that this would not have happened if Trump were President. Of course, that “logic” is bulletproof because it cannot be disproven or proven. I read an interesting take earlier this week, before the start of the invasion. The gist: Trump during his 2016 campaign and at various times during his presidency called NATO obsolete and questioned its worth to the United States. That and his expressed disdain for allies, especially Germany, may have had Putin thinking that NATO was weakening and might even dissolve under Trump’s watch.

Which is not to say that Trump is responsible for Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine. Nor is Biden. We do know that Putin was concerned, and long has been concerned, about what he sees as the encroachment of NATO upon countries previously within the sphere of Russian/Soviet influence. There appear to be many other factors as well, and we can only speculate upon the catalysts for his decision and his motivations. It is simplistic to say, for example, that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan displayed weakness that prompted Putin to take this action.

What we do know is that this is an outrageous act and this is a perilous time. Ukraine matters. That is the most important message that we Americans can and should convey, to each other and to the world.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 11:24am

 deltaindia wrote:

Kharkiv is on fire, Russian terrorists shelled a children's hospital, a blood donation center, houses, factories, cars...
The civilians I knew were killed, the parents of colleagues were left homeless, some were injured in the blood transfusion center.
This is genocide, terrorism and a crime against humanity. Fights are underway! We will defend our city, truth and God are behind us! Thanks to everyone who supports us! Pray for Ukraine 🙏

I am in safe.




It's a discussion/argument for us here...but the hell of war is all too real for you.
So sorry for your loss and all the unnecessary violence being inflicted.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:47am

Kharkiv is on fire, Russian terrorists shelled a children's hospital, a blood donation center, houses, factories, cars...
The civilians I knew were killed, the parents of colleagues were left homeless, some were injured in the blood transfusion center.
This is genocide, terrorism and a crime against humanity. Fights are underway! We will defend our city, truth and God are behind us! Thanks to everyone who supports us! Pray for Ukraine 🙏

I am in safe.


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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:38am

So to all of you foreign policy experts who blame the invasion on Trump, Trump being Putin's bitch and all, why did Putin wait to invade with "toe to toe with Putin" Biden as POTUS ?  You would think that he would have done it long ago when Trump was in office since Trump had his back, no ?
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:24am

 Lazy8 wrote:

All too often. And every time we look back on it and see that we could have stopped it earlier with more resolve. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last—I'm hoping we can start drawing the lessons from this that we should have already learned.

As for the present...all I can do is make ready for the refugees. Again.

More important.  When it comes to US foreign policy, transparency and accountability should always be avoided at all costs.

Historical lessons should always be avoided. Treaty of Versailles and WW II?  Watz dat? 

Thankfully the USA and NATO took advantage of Russia's weakness after the implosion the Soviet Union and pushed NATO membership into the Baltic states and other former Warsaw Pact member nations.

Personally, I believe the USA should avoid the "Man of Great Stature" approach to international relations and foreign policy but if the will of the American people is to accelerate US hegemonic decline maybe that points a bright Panglossian future.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 10:08am

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let's stick to the tragedy unfolding here. There is a distinct feeling of unease that this is not going to stop with Ukraine and that the sanctions imposed so far are going to have the opposite effect to that intended, namely that he'll just laugh at the mamby-pamby soft westerners with their decadent lifestyles as he shows them what a real strong man can do. The man is unhinged. Living in an information bubble fed by the frightened sycophants around him, emboldened by the lack of any real resistance. None of this is good. And yes, haven't we been here before?

All too often. And every time we look back on it and see that we could have stopped it earlier with more resolve. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last—I'm hoping we can start drawing the lessons from this that we should have already learned.

As for the present...all I can do is make ready for the refugees. Again.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:31am

Snippet from the end of a report in the NYT, by Michael Schwirtz
No commentary necessary.
c.

"Even as the artillery barrages intensified, not everyone was ready to hide. Walking with intention toward the source of the artillery booms on the outskirts of Kharkiv was Roman Balakelyev, dressed in camouflage, a double-barreled shotgun slung over his shoulder.

“I live here, this is my home. I’m going to defend it,” said Mr. Balakelyev, who also pulled out a large knife he had strapped to his back as if to show it off. “I don’t think the Russians understand me like I understand them.”

A short while later, Mr. Balakelyev reached the edge of the city, where the Ukrainian troops were huddled around the abandoned Russian troop transports. They watched as he passed. No one moved to stop him. One soldier uttered: “Intent on victory.”"




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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:12am

some of the separatist groups have neo-nazi backgrounds, and which groups are ok to post about on Facebook while others are not allowed to be discussed. Lots of narrative control going on 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 9:09am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Lol}
 are you aware that you always pick the best examples to present a stunningly strong argument against your own propositions?


Lol, or maybe those fringe people like Alex Jones, naming their website "prison planet", mebbe they were onto something decades ago 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:58am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.
 
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:43am

 Animal-Farm wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.

No different than what occurs if you post on many topics, such as ivermectin, you can get your Facebook suspended for 30 days. Some people have been de-platformed for hundreds of days, right in USA, Canada, Europe.
 
{#Lol} are you aware that you always pick the best examples to present a stunningly strong argument against your own propositions?
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:40am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.



No different than what occurs if you post on many topics, such as ivermectin, you can get your Facebook suspended for 30 days. Some people have been de-platformed for hundreds of days, right in USA, Canada, Europe.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2022 - 8:37am

Russia will “partly limit” access to Facebook, Russia’s censorship agency has announced.
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