Your post yesterday was at 12:07  p.m.  ( PDT or 3:07 pm EDT )  This is what you said about Obama's initial statement (and all you said about Obama, period, in that post): 

Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".
Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy
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By any objective assessment, this is a gratuitous slap at Obama.  The suggestion that he would find the shooting down of a commercial airliner resulting in 298 deaths not to be a tragedy is absurd.  

  

Just one minute please.

I never once said this was a deliberate attack on a commercial airliner.  Please backscroll and show where I said this was deliberate.  Plus, I have yet to see any mention that the Ukrainian government or anyone else for that matter, thinks that a commercial airliner was deliberately targeted.  

I agree with you that this was an unfortunate accident and most likely the result of piss poor planning and incompetence.  Maybe the missile crew was drunk, who knows ?  I don't.  To deliberately attack a commercial airliner is an act of terror and not good for those seeking sympathy for their cause.  This event is a lot of things rolled into one, but I have yet to conclude that it was anything more than the assholes manning the missiles thought that they had a military flight in their sights and were not skilled enough to verify their target before firing.

I stand behind everything that I have so far posted on this event. 

Edit:  My "joke" as you term it was anything but.  It was an indictment against Obama.  Once again, Obama chose to vote "present" on a matter that matters, rather than take a stand and commit himself to anything.

Driving home yesterday and listening to NPR, their reporter on the scene was being asked his opinion by the in-studio news host and the reporter (Noah Sneider?) seemed to be saying that there's no way this plane was singled out, and that there's no way any party on the ground would target a commercial airliner deliberately. The most likely scenario, he seemed to be saying, was simple incompetence. It takes more than one person to operate that missile system: one or more to locate incoming aircraft, a commander to give the order, and the missile itself has onboard systems that report back status such as signals received from the target aircraft. Apparently several systems that might have prevented this were available but obviously they failed or were ignored/misunderstood.

I was driving and making stops, in/out of the car so I apologize for the spotty summary, but like Kurt, I feel able to flesh out my own theories. Unlike Kurt (and the leadership of Ukraine), I am not able to immediately declare this to be a deliberate machination of Russia or the separatists. I do think the airline (and all the others) who didn't think changing their routes was necessary deserves a solid drubbing in the media. When we get on an airplane, we have no control of its route and we implicitly trust that we will not fly over active war zones, don't we?
 
And Kurt: May/Might, that's not what anyone cares about. Your tone-deaf Obama "joke" before the wreckage was even cool is what set people off. But why should anyone expect you to understand that when you learned everything you need to know about class and good taste from Rush? 

I think this parallels more with yesterday than the event you linked to.  

Sounds to me like someone stuffed up big time. Awful. 

I have been thinking about that from soon after I heard about the Malaysian airliner being shot down. Interesting to see which parallels are being drawn — and which are not being drawn.

I did so because of what is going to be a direct confrontation with Russia over this  This is going straight to Putin.  It was his missile that brought the plane down.  Either the Russians pushed the button or the separatists did, but its still Putin's missile.  My money as I already said is on the rebels pushing the button.  I think that we can safely eliminate the Ukraine gov itsekf, because who would they be shooting at ?  The rebels don't have jets that fly at 30k feet.

Obama will have to deal with Putin on this, no matter what.  I have little faith in Obama standing up and looking Putin in the eye on this, based upon Obama's performance in foreign policy so far.  Obama by his comments and lack of anything further than the two sentences he uttered so far is showing his fear of dealing with Putin.  Obama's red lines mean absolutely nothing.  His words mean nothing.  He has zero cred internationally.  He's cut Israel loose and left them to defend and decide for themselves.  Israel has zero confidence in Obama.

Part of participating in the poly threads is commenting on things as they happen and drawing conclusions.  I want to see if I'm reading things right before the spin and talking points starts.  One cannot trust their sources implicitly.  This is not about a set up for an I told you so down the road.  It about feeling sure enough about things based upon personal observations and the willingness to put them out as correct, not misinforming or deliberately misleading or biased.

I don't know how Obama is going to deal with this.  However, my money is on him hoping to sweep it under the rug and avoid a scene with Putin.  It will be investigated like everything else and the investigation will last indefinitely providing an out for having to comment on it and go on the record with anything, because its an ongoing investigation and I cannot comment about it until the never ending investigation is over.

And if I wait to offer a comment after things become "official", then I'm just parroting some partisan pundit.  I try to speak for myself and avoid copy / paste as much as possible. 

wow. just wow.
forgive me, SFW 

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I drew a conclusion based upon the facts that I saw presented.  I didn't shoot from the hip.
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My cat's name is Tobin.  

I am not a neocon nor is my cat. 

 
What you said that is appalling is

 kurtster wrote:  
Which several people pointed to as being out of line (although not out of character for you) and you refuse to address it. That you came to this conclusion yourself is not something to be especially proud of; I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you'd only heard an edit of the speech that had been pre-spun for your consumption, but you actually did it all by your lonesome and somehow thought you'd be given a pass. A) it is unseemly, at best, to be taking a dig at our president for simply making a statement, phrased very carefully so as not to cause further unrest. B) If your takeaway was, in fact, that he was unsure—it's a revealing insight into your (in)ability to listen with anything approaching an open mind.

 

This appeared in Commentary — the bible of the neoconservatives — and was written by its editor, Jonathan S. Tobin. Tobin, although not well known, is a leading voice in the "Israel can do no wrong" chorus.

 

The policy (along with the State Dept. noise) hasn't changed much since then. Maybe nothing but a full-on invasion of U.S. troops into Gaza could satisfy some warmongers...

I did so because of what is going to be a direct confrontation with Russia over this  This is going straight to Putin.  It was his missile that brought the plane down.  Either the Russians pushed the button or the separatists did, but its still Putin's missile.  My money as I already said is on the rebels pushing the button.  I think that we can safely eliminate the Ukraine gov itsekf, because who would they be shooting at ?  The rebels don't have jets that fly at 30k feet.

Obama will have to deal with Putin on this, no matter what.  I have little faith in Obama standing up and looking Putin in the eye on this, based upon Obama's performance in foreign policy so far.  Obama by his comments and lack of anything further than the two sentences he uttered so far is showing his fear of dealing with Putin.  Obama's red lines mean absolutely nothing.  His words mean nothing.  He has zero cred internationally.  He's cut Israel loose and left them to defend and decide for themselves.  Israel has zero confidence in Obama.

Part of participating in the poly threads is commenting on things as they happen and drawing conclusions.  I want to see if I'm reading things right before the spin and talking points starts.  One cannot trust their sources implicitly.  This is not about a set up for an I told you so down the road.  It about feeling sure enough about things based upon personal observations and the willingness to put them out as correct, not misinforming or deliberately misleading or biased.

I don't know how Obama is going to deal with this.  However, my money is on him hoping to sweep it under the rug and avoid a scene with Putin.  It will be investigated like everything else and the investigation will last indefinitely providing an out for having to comment on it and go on the record with anything, because its an ongoing investigation and I cannot comment about it until the never ending investigation is over.

And if I wait to offer a comment after things become "official", then I'm just parroting some partisan pundit.  I try to speak for myself and avoid copy / paste as much as possible. 

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.