ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
FWIW, I saw Obama speak live.  Because I substituted may for might and omitted terrible makes me substantively wrong, eh ?  I was working from my memory of the live event.

Once again, I am totally wrong about everything I commented on due to technicalities.     

I guess that I owe the community an apology for illegal use of quotation marks with the intent to mislead and deceive. 

So y'all can debate grammar and I'll pay attention to the more important parts of all of this. 

 ScottN wrote: 
I guess that I use better news sources than you do and I trust my personal conclusions better than you do.

So far I'm at least half right ... it was shot down ... we'll know about the other half soon, too.

 US intelligence confirms surface-to-air missile fired at Malaysian plane, divided over origin: WSJ

 Proclivities wrote: 
Context: "Obviously, the world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia/Ukraine border, and it looks like it might be a terrible tragedy..." He's saying it "might be" a tragedy because he's not confirming the news, only mentioning it. He could have added some more words like "if the reports are accurate, it is a terrible tragedy" but he didn't need to. Only people who take snippets of speeches and see how they can be manipulated (and those who see/hear the manipulated result) got his meaning wrong.

 kurtster wrote: 
They were questions, and you can't (be bothered to) answer them. I was wondering whether you saw something that I didn't.

Your ad homs and fantasies are irrelevant (as usual).

 RichardPrins wrote: 
So, since I got the part about Twitter wrong, I am wrong.  But how did you know what I was talking about since I was so wrong ?

You are a true student of Alinsky ...  Get em lost in the weeds over technicalities when you can't deal with substance.

You prolly think Bush or Cheney did it anyway ... 

 kurtster wrote: 
Which tweet? Are you talking about the deleted post on the VK social network (which would not be a tweet since it's not Twitter)? Usually there's someone who keeps a screenshot of such controversial messages...

 ScottN wrote: 
Obama's exact words were “It looks like it might be a terrible tragedy...”.  Of course, if Rush Limbaugh is one's primary source of news...

 ScottN wrote: 
We'll see who is correct in due time.  

I paid close attention to the news for several hours before making my comment.  I heard speak of a possible on board explosion.  But the news of the rebel tweet is what I based my conclusion on.  That and the fact that they already shot down two Ukrainian jets earlier this week.

 

 kurtster wrote:How in the world could you possibly know who (or if at this early point—could be an on board bomb) shot down the Malaysian Airliner?
Leave it to you to find blame for Obama somewhere—in this case in his language.  This is real-time.  I interpret tragedy to mean the result of a natural act.
An act of man (while tragic) would be criminal.
Obama was not making an official statement.  That will come after you have informed the parties involved of what has "become pretty clear now". Failing their lack of conviction on your word, I expect a statement to be released after actual facts are determined—with accuracy.

via CNN moments ago 'reports do not exclude the possibility of an on board explosion, either by malfunction or intentional'.

 steeler wrote: 
and that would be ... what ?

If there is any fault or blame to be shared with who shot down the plane, it would be the airline company that let its planes fly over a well known war zone.  The US made the zone off limits to US commercial traffic back in April.

Only as a result of today's tragedy has Germany and France now banned their commercial craft from flying over Ukraine.

 kurtster wrote: 

I knew there had to be fault of Obama in this somwhere.

 DaveInVA wrote: 
Its become pretty clear now that it was shot down by separatists who mistook it for a Ukrainian fighter.  A tweet from the separatists bragging about bringing down a third Ukrainian jet this week was noted.  The tweet has since been deleted.

At this point, all the debris landed in rebel territory and they claim the black boxes have already been recovered and are now in the hands of the Russians, who in the past several weeks gave the rebels highly sophisticated ground to air missiles of the type that apparently took down the airliner.

Obama has stated that finding out if any Americans on board was his first priority, while stating that this "may be a tragedy".

Funny (not) how Obama is unsure that shooting down a commercial airliner is a tragedy.

Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

400 Blackwater Mercs Deployed In Ukraine Against Separatists, German Press Reports

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Okeydoke.
 

 

 sirdroseph wrote: 
First link: "Source: RT"
Second link: "Source: The Voice of Russia" 

 

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Peas/pod
 

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
FOX/Republican Party?

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

One of the few media outlets I trust including events in Ukraine.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Not disputing anything in the video but posting/viewing something on RT about the Ukraine...