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Posted: Mar 10, 2022 - 1:03pm

Major League Baseball’s lockout is over.

MLB owners and the players’ association agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement on Thursday, bringing an end to a three-plus-month work stoppage that began on Dec. 2.

A full 162-game season will be played, beginning with opening day on April 7 for most teams. Players are tentatively scheduled to report for spring training by March 13 and free agency is expected to re-open tonight.


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Posted: Mar 6, 2022 - 4:48pm

MARCH 1, 2022

Calling Both Sides ‘Spoiled’ in Baseball Lockout Ignores How Owners Forced Labor War

AND

While the lockout officially began when MLB’s CBA expired on December 2, everyone in the sports world has known for years that team owners were preparing to shut down baseball in hopes of enshrining the gains they’ve made in exploiting loopholes in the last agreement to siphon money away from players and into their own pockets. Soon after the previous CBA was agreed to in 2016, owners began aggressively cutting loose players in their prime who were eligible for higher salaries under the league’s system of arbitration (which kicks in once a player has three to four years in the majors) and free agency (which requires six to seven years of service time). In 2019, the last season for which full data is available, over half of the total service time was accrued by players who combined for less than 10% of the total pay (Twitter, 12/2/21)—indicating that team owners were still paying for stars, but otherwise filling out their rosters with the cheapest talent available.

This not only cost players who were forced to sign cut-rate contracts at well below their market value to compete with youngsters with artificially depressed salaries (SBNation, 3/18; Deadspin, 1/14/19), it trickled down to younger players as well: Ronald Acuña Jr., one of the brightest young talents in the game, surprised everyone by signing a relatively modest eight-year, $100 million deal in 2019 (MarcNormandin.com, 4/12/19), taking a guaranteed lump sum rather than gambling that someone would eventually pay him what he’s worth.

At the same time, owners have used a “luxury tax” on high-payroll teams as a de facto salary cap (Deadspin, 1/31/19), driving down spending by imposing huge fines on teams that exceed an arbitrary limit—one that the owners, in their latest contract proposals, have repeatedly proposed making even more regressive by significantly ramping up the penalties even for first-time, low-level offenders (CBS Sports, 2/21/22).

The result has been an increasingly two-tier labor system where players can only fully share in baseball’s multi-billion-dollar yearly revenues (Forbes, 12/21/19) once they’ve played in the majors for four years or more—but owners are increasingly incentivized to ditch expensive older players for younger ones making near the league minimum (DRaysBay, 3/21/19).

That minimum salary, meanwhile, has actually fallen relative to inflation (TheScore, 12/2/21), rising only 6.6% since 2017; one of the union’s main demands has been to increase it to $775,000 for the 2022 season. While the salaries of the top stars continue to soar, the average salary fell throughout the life of the previous CBA, from $4.45 million in 2017 to $4.17 million in 2021, and the median salary now sits at $1.15 million, down 30% from 2015 (ESPN, 4/16/21).

There is a third tier, meanwhile, which is the minor leagues, where the vast majority of professional ballplayers are employed, hoping one day to have a shot at the majors. For minor-leaguers, even the major-league minimum salary is a distant dream, as they must work for years at wages as low as $500 a week, while paying for their own equipment and finding their own housing in minor-league cities—something that has left some ballplayers living in their cars (Athletic, 8/5/21). During spring training, it’s even worse, as minor-leaguers aren’t paid at all for their required work time (Defector, 9/8/21) beyond free lunches of single slices of deli meat and cheese on white bread (Marcnormandin.com, 2/12/20) (Though minor-league baseball players—unlike, say, minor-league hockey players—lack their own union, they are currently part of a class-action suit challenging baseball owners’ classification of them as “part-time seasonal apprentices” not subject to minimum-wage laws: Baseball Prospectus, 10/23/20.)


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Posted: Mar 5, 2022 - 7:34am

 Animal-Farm wrote:
So the owners are locking out the players until the players agree to limit their own salaries with a cap/tax because the owners can't control themselves they keep overpaying for players?
 
Pretty much hit that nail right on the head! People are pissed at players as well, but I don't begrudge them their salaries as they are relative to what the owners are cashing in. Without the players there isn't a game. Universal DH I don't care about, it's inevitable and opens up jobs. Most of the other stuff the players seem to be insisting on concerns arbitration and service time for prospects, and of course a bigger piece of the pie for themselves. Again, I don't really care about this stuff and do try to distance myself from the financial aspect of pro sports. The one takeaway I get from it is that top prospects who can actually help a team win won't be held down or optioned multiple times so that the team gets another year of control over arbitration and maybe rookie level contracts. What a concept, put your best players out there and increase your chances of winning...
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Posted: Mar 3, 2022 - 5:30pm

So the owners are locking out the players until the players agree to limit their own salaries with a cap/tax because the owners can't control themselves they keep overpaying for players?
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Posted: Mar 2, 2022 - 2:05pm

Two years ago they killed our Single A Red Sox affiliate which I would go see when I could. Then the moved the Pawtucket Sox to a new home in Worcester MA which is about 50 miles closer, but couldn’t go see because of Covid.

Now I just don’t care anymore what they do. They’ve killed the game I loved to play and watch. They get paid a crap load of money to play the game, which most of us would play for free. 
I’m done and moving on.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2022 - 1:39pm

Manfred's Letter to Fans

A lot of the stuff here I don't care about at all and it's super super easy to get pissed at owners but it's the players driving the Universal DH. Owners want to expand the postseason but it's "only" going to be 12 teams with a Totally Valid best-of-3 series to see if an 83-game winner can sneak into a Division Series vs a 105-game winner. Let's plumb the depths of mediocrity just so the Rockies fans have some glimmer of hope in September! Nevermind the teams that actually try to field a winner. Yes I'm singling out Denver because yes they are profitable so why bother winning? 

Manfred talks about things fans want... an end to the shift? a pitch timer? who asked for that stuff? No one I know.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2022 - 9:54am

I wasn't paying attention to the MiLB rearrangement except I knew they were contracting from 160 to 120 teams. But I just noticed that San Jose (population one million) and Fresno (population half a million) are now in the "California League," Low A West. Along with Visalia (130k), Lake Elsinore (65k)... eight teams all in one league makes sense/fun but LOW A? 

I was sort of planning my summer to see if I could catch some AAA at Fresno. Saw lots of Giants last time. Now they're a Rockies Low A. Oh boy oh boy.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2022 - 6:56am

MLB: Season to be shortened if no deal by end of Monday
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Posted: Feb 14, 2022 - 9:59am

 zevon wrote:

After having my hopes of being an MLB slugger totally shattered by total inability to hit a pitch now called a slider, I played rec league baseball and softball for 35 years. I friggin PAID to play in the majority of them...
 
{#High-five}

Yup me too. Not the slugging part but being able to throw a couple of 85 mph fastballs way back when.
Not much of a power hitter but would nickel and dime you to death.
{#Lol} 
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Posted: Feb 13, 2022 - 6:04am

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Millionaires VS Billionaires, they’re killing the cash cow. And I gave up the last time they pulled this crap.

YOU’RE GETTING A CRAP LOAD OF MONEY
TO PLAY A FREAKIN’ GAME DUMBAZZES!!!
 
After having my hopes of being an MLB slugger totally shattered by total inability to hit a pitch now called a slider, I played rec league baseball and softball for 35 years. I friggin PAID to play in the majority of them...
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Posted: Feb 13, 2022 - 6:01am

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 GeneP59 wrote:

2022 1/2
That would be a reasonable guess. There is a lot left to do with all the off-season activities that were frozen in December. Like, signing all the free agents. And the off-season training. I haven't even kept up with the issues and I don't know which side to support, but I kind of don't care any more. Sacrilege. 
 
Zep {#Hug}
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Posted: Feb 13, 2022 - 6:00am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Congratulations Big Papi. I'm still not sure where I stand on the DH being allowed in, but he was cool.  Not completely unrelated but I think the HoF should have an "amnesty year," where Bonds, Clemens, ARod, etc. get inducted because what they accomplished gets them in on the first ballot no question about it, and despite the taint, the Hall of Fame roster has some glaring holes without them.
 
Love it or hate it (and I know those here that hate it) the universal DH seems to be one thing both sides agree on. The next time NL teams take the field it is highly likely that there will be a DH spot in the lineup.
Papi is arguably the best DH ever - you wouldn't get an argument from me, of course - and well deserving of first ballot. Pedroia threw some great shade when talking about his induction, said he loved playing in the World Series with him as he got to play both second and first base. 
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Posted: Feb 9, 2022 - 5:30pm

 Zep wrote:
 GeneP59 wrote:

2022 1/2
That would be a reasonable guess. There is a lot left to do with all the off-season activities that were frozen in December. Like, signing all the free agents. And the off-season training. I haven't even kept up with the issues and I don't know which side to support, but I kind of don't care any more. Sacrilege. 
 
Millionaires VS Billionaires, they’re killing the cash cow. And I gave up the last time they pulled this crap.

YOU’RE GETTING A CRAP LOAD OF MONEY
TO PLAY A FREAKIN’ GAME DUMBAZZES!!!
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Posted: Feb 9, 2022 - 9:35am

 GeneP59 wrote:

2022 1/2


That would be a reasonable guess. There is a lot left to do with all the off-season activities that were frozen in December. Like, signing all the free agents. And the off-season training. I haven't even kept up with the issues and I don't know which side to support, but I kind of don't care any more. Sacrilege. 
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Posted: Feb 8, 2022 - 2:30pm

 Zep wrote:
So, ummm... 2022 anyone?
 
2022 1/2
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Posted: Feb 8, 2022 - 1:59pm

So, ummm... 2022 anyone?
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Posted: Jan 28, 2022 - 11:23am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Sure. Same sort of reasoning too. I wonder why they waited for Buck O'Neill to die though.

Because Buck's stats didn't "count" until 2020.

Baseball bans the guy with the most hits for doing something they now advertise for during the games.

Bonds was a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer before he took steroids, yet is banned because he did something that helped save the game from its post-strike lack of interest in the '90s.  

The Hall of Fame is going the way of the Grammy's and the Golden Globes.... people just don't really care so much anymore.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2022 - 11:05am

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They should allow Pete Rose in if they let those guys in.  I have a feeling they're going to wait for Pete to die and then let him in.


Sure. Same sort of reasoning too. I wonder why they waited for Buck O'Neill to die though.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2022 - 11:00am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Congratulations Big Papi. I'm still not sure where I stand on the DH being allowed in, but he was cool. 

Not completely unrelated but I think the HoF should have an "amnesty year," where Bonds, Clemens, ARod, etc. get inducted because what they accomplished gets them in on the first ballot no question about it, and despite the taint, the Hall of Fame roster has some glaring holes without them.



They should allow Pete Rose in if they let those guys in.  I have a feeling they're going to wait for Pete to die and then let him in.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2022 - 10:58am

Congratulations Big Papi. I'm still not sure where I stand on the DH being allowed in, but he was cool. 

Not completely unrelated but I think the HoF should have an "amnesty year," where Bonds, Clemens, ARod, etc. get inducted because what they accomplished gets them in on the first ballot no question about it, and despite the taint, the Hall of Fame roster has some glaring holes without them.
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