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Isabeau

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Posted: Feb 8, 2023 - 2:56pm

 kurtster wrote:

Not in today's world.  Gender is everything.

Time to watch Full Metal Jacket, again.  The other qualities you mentioned didn't matter back then, either.


You'd think it would be according to the media, eh?   But its not true Kurt.  Most of us, little ol center 'murica, aren't that concerned about transgender issues, drag queens, pronouns or books being banned. Leave those folks alone.  We're concerned with making our mortgages, buying enough food, affording energy and  healthcare that might keep us going beyond our working years.
The over-arch of concern over numerous special interest groups are a lovely way to distract from our Nation's most pressing issues and hard choices. 


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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 11:32am

 rgio wrote:
There's a draft?

Now recruiting all MAGA culture warriors. Bone spurs welcome...

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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 11:19am

 Steely_D wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
With our new woke world, we would have to draft all sexes, equally. Men women and all the new variables. One woman and one whatever for every one man. You still with me ?
Wouldn't be interesting if the draft were only based on certain qualities (strength, endurance, video game kill success, whatever). Leave gender out of it.
 
Not in today's world.  Gender is everything.

Time to watch Full Metal Jacket, again.  The other qualities you mentioned didn't matter back then, either.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 10:03am

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Wouldn't be interesting if the draft were only based on certain qualities (strength, endurance, video game kill success, whatever). Leave gender out of it.

There's a draft?

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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 8:53am

 kurtster wrote:
With our new woke world, we would have to draft all sexes, equally. Men women and all the new variables. One woman and one whatever for every one man. You still with me ?


Wouldn't be interesting if the draft were only based on certain qualities (strength, endurance, video game kill success, whatever). Leave gender out of it.
Isabeau

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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 4:00am

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To our Government, that value depreciates. 

In my esoteric way I spoke to somewhat parallel thinking. It's sort of a coping mechanism I developed along the way to tragedy.
It seems to cover some bases, even if unarticulated on its merit. All part of a greater reckoning I suppose.

Anyhow I jacked a thread where my arguments probably won't bear much fruit. Point being, the next moment is a precious moment to everyone. Seeing is believing. The rest is chaff...


Understood and your input is always appreciated OV. 

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Posted: Feb 4, 2023 - 3:59am

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Good points. However, I doubt that with high incidents of sexual assault that drafting women into the military will succeed. In essence, its one thing to sentence young men to possible maiming and death, but to add rampant sexual abuse of women, would not be acceptable to most Americans. Forcing women into potential sexual abuse and in some cases, forcing them to give birth, in addition to facing combat, is a set of of cruelty beyond serving one's country.

Agreed. Likely no draft and if we are attacked, we're scrood. 
 


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Posted: Feb 3, 2023 - 11:45pm

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Yes, this topic is unfun and uncomfortable, gentlemen. Just imagine for a moment, how all of you would feel if we were suddenly bombed by Putin or XI and the government had no choice but to reinstate conscription. Our Troop levels demand a draft because we do not have the feet to fill the boots on the ground.  All of You would HOWL to the moon and back.  This forum would explode with emotion.  We all knew Trump couldn't happen either. Matt Gaetz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Gym Jordan, Paul Gosar, et al, will be more than happy to vote for the draft. After all, they're just gambling with ideology ... and someone else's lives.
 
Interesting.  I used to argue for bringing back the draft as a way to get people to pay attention to what was going on in the world because theoretically they would have skin in the game.  haven't made this argument for probably about 5 years or so.

And even more interesting is that only men were drafted.  Talk about having no control over your own body based upon your sex !  The draft finally got somewhat leveled out with the implementation of the lottery based upon your DOB.

So we have a draft again.  How many men are going to say you can't draft me because I am a woman ?  How far would that have taken you in the original draft ?  Not very ...

With our new woke world, we would have to draft all sexes, equally.  Men women and all the new variables.  One woman and one whatever for every one man.  You still with me ?

Then we would have to make special accommodations for all of the variables and their special needs.  How would this work in a system designed to break things by brute force using people to do it, against their will ?  Once in the military, the government owns you and has complete control over your body, or that is how it used to be.  There were problems with mandatory vaccinations going back to Nam.  Refuse, you got thrown in the brig.  And a dishonorable to go with it.  Today, you get a general, IIRC and lose all benefits that you may have accrued to date with your service to that point.  In fact, they are now going after the signing bonuses made to those who were discharged for refusing the Covid vaccination, even though the mandate for experimental drugs has since been lifted, somewhat.

So, we can worry about a lot of things, but a new draft ain't one of them.  Unless you know someway to make it work in today's world.  So when Putin or Xi come after us, we are screwed.  Ain't no one going to show up to fight.

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Posted: Feb 3, 2023 - 3:08pm

 Isabeau wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:

Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute). 
 

To our Government, that value depreciates. 

In my esoteric way I spoke to somewhat parallel thinking. It's sort of a coping mechanism I developed along the way to tragedy.
It seems to cover some bases, even if unarticulated on its merit. All part of a greater reckoning I suppose.

Anyhow I jacked a thread where my arguments probably won't bear much fruit. Point being, the next moment is a precious moment to everyone. Seeing is believing. The rest is chaff...
Isabeau

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Location: sou' tex
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Posted: Feb 3, 2023 - 2:52pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute). 




To our Government, that value depreciates. Lack of assistance to parents for child care, tax benefits, family leave... conservatives are consistent in loving 'life' while in the womb, but outside its open season with semi automatic weapons.
Curious as to why this forum thread was titled Abortion WARS.  Interesting blend of terms.

Yes, this topic is unfun and uncomfortable, gentlemen. Just imagine for a moment, how all of you would feel if we were suddenly bombed by Putin or XI and the government had no choice but to reinstate conscription. Our Troop levels demand a draft because we do not have the feet to fill the boots on the ground.  All of You would HOWL to the moon and back.  This forum would explode with emotion. 

We all knew Trump couldn't happen either. Matt Gaetz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Gym Jordan, Paul Gosar, et al, will be more than happy to vote for the draft. After all, they're just gambling with ideology ... and someone else's lives.
oldviolin

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Posted: Feb 3, 2023 - 2:01pm

 Isabeau wrote:


The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY  and Spectral Evidence. As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life.
It is Forced Birth.

Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.


Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute). 


Isabeau

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Posted: Feb 3, 2023 - 1:55pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY and Spectral Evidence! 
As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life. 

Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.


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Posted: Jan 31, 2023 - 7:19pm

Minnesota governor signs bill protecting "fundamental right" to abortion under state law

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Posted: Sep 28, 2022 - 10:11am

Patients face barriers to routine care as doctors warn of ripple effects from broad abortion bans
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Posted: Sep 25, 2022 - 4:42pm

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Posted: Aug 6, 2022 - 8:39am

citizens in one conservative state reject abortion bans,  
and politicians in another pass laws to ban.  
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Posted: Aug 6, 2022 - 7:55am

Indiana Gilead
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Posted: Aug 3, 2022 - 11:39am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
What's the matter with Kansas?
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Posted: Aug 3, 2022 - 7:34am

What a pleasant surprise...
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Posted: Jul 19, 2022 - 1:36pm

 Steely_D wrote:

This is not how democracy is supposed to work.


Our chief danger.

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