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Posted: Nov 2, 2016 - 7:39am

 kurtster wrote:
No matter how horrible you may think Trump is,  Clinton is several orders of magnitude worse.
That is our choice.


 
In terms of the magnitude or impact of their mistakes, I would agree...but only because of her role as first lady, senator, secretary of state.  I wouldn't want to take the risk of seeing the "magnitude" of Trump's mistakes as a public figure.  I think they are two sides of the same coin, narcissistic, ego maniacs...but Clinton has more control of her personality, and willing at the very least to pretend to do the right thing, or play the game.
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Posted: Nov 2, 2016 - 5:35am

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No, that's false. There's a frothiness about lying and so forth that doesn't need rehashing here, but it's not true that she's worse than he. It's just not and saying it doesn't make it true. That seems to be the method: repeat lies enough until people just capitulate. (Obama's a Muslim...30% of the USA still believes that crap.)

The thing that could sway voters to him is that they want to put someone in the highest office in the land, the most powerful seat in the world - who's never held public office, cheated on his wives, been a financial failure, admitted to ripping off his business associates, promoted the ludicrous birther movement, began his campaign with racist inflammatory comments, made boldface lies about his opinion regarding going to war, incited violence at his rallies.

Hillary has clearly done bad things, too - but within the context of more than two decades of experience in public office including the White House. If you want to think they're both bad, that's fine - but at least she's bad while knowing the playing field. Trump is going to be learning the ropes for a very long time, and doesn't seem to be the kinda guy that makes good snap decisions in the interim. 

 

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Posted: Nov 2, 2016 - 4:20am

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

Why. Is. This. Even. An. Issue. Hofuk King Stupid have we become?

 
After 2012,I'd say we've become all of the stupid but maybe I'm wrong and it could get worse.I expect the JayZ/Beyonce ticket in 2032.

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Posted: Nov 1, 2016 - 11:33pm

 Steely_D wrote:

No, that's false. There's a frothiness about lying and so forth that doesn't need rehashing here, but it's not true that she's worse than he. It's just not and saying it doesn't make it true. That seems to be the method: repeat lies enough until people just capitulate. (Obama's a Muslim...30% of the USA still believes that crap.)

The thing that could sway voters to him is that they want to put someone in the highest office in the land, the most powerful seat in the world - who's never held public office, cheated on his wives, been a financial failure, admitted to ripping off his business associates, promoted the ludicrous birther movement, began his campaign with racist inflammatory comments, made boldface lies about his opinion regarding going to war, incited violence at his rallies.

Hillary has clearly done bad things, too - but within the context of more than two decades of experience in public office including the White House. If you want to think they're both bad, that's fine - but at least she's bad while knowing the playing field. Trump is going to be learning the ropes for a very long time, and doesn't seem to be the kinda guy that makes good snap decisions in the interim. 

 
Why. Is. This. Even. An. Issue. Hofuk King Stupid have we become?
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Posted: Nov 1, 2016 - 7:27pm

 kurtster wrote:
No matter how horrible you may think Trump is,  Clinton is several orders of magnitude worse.
That is our choice.
 
No, that's false. There's a frothiness about lying and so forth that doesn't need rehashing here, but it's not true that she's worse than he. It's just not and saying it doesn't make it true. That seems to be the method: repeat lies enough until people just capitulate. (Obama's a Muslim...30% of the USA still believes that crap.)

The thing that could sway voters to him is that they want to put someone in the highest office in the land, the most powerful seat in the world - who's never held public office, cheated on his wives, been a financial failure, admitted to ripping off his business associates, promoted the ludicrous birther movement, began his campaign with racist inflammatory comments, made boldface lies about his opinion regarding going to war, incited violence at his rallies.

Hillary has clearly done bad things, too - but within the context of more than two decades of experience in public office including the White House. If you want to think they're both bad, that's fine - but at least she's bad while knowing the playing field. Trump is going to be learning the ropes for a very long time, and doesn't seem to be the kinda guy that makes good snap decisions in the interim. 


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Posted: Nov 1, 2016 - 6:11pm

No matter how horrible you may think Trump is,  Clinton is several orders of magnitude worse.
That is our choice.



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Posted: Nov 1, 2016 - 11:12am


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Posted: Oct 21, 2016 - 12:18am

"Hillary is pretending she doesn't hate Catholics..."

{#Frown} 
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 8:55pm

 haresfur wrote:

{#Lol} "Lolita? Look, it was her idea. And I can understand that because women love me, even if they are girls. And she wasn't my daughter. But I just talked about her. Hey, I can write a great novel."

 
Catch 22? Sure, it was a tremendous catch, the best maybe, who knows, but 22 times? That's too many catches, folks, way too many catches.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 3:16pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 
{#Lol} "Lolita? Look, it was her idea. And I can understand that because women love me, even if they are girls. And she wasn't my daughter. But I just talked about her. Hey, I can write a great novel."
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 9:06am


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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 8:43am

 kurtster wrote:
It seems we are on the same page when it is all said and done.

 
Wait, was that some sort of internet type joke??


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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 7:51am

 oldviolin wrote:

Maybe it's the perspective that's askew; the thoughts, the language, the projections... Maybe people need courage rather than frustration, brotherhood rather than self righteousness, humility rather than victimization...Think?

 
Noble, but maybe not the most implementable sollution in this case.
I would start with different strategies for both teams. Less dirt throwing and more respect for each other. I think then the people would see the candidates less as dirty enemies and more as valid choices for presidenty.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 7:44am

 oldviolin wrote:

Ah, ok. I understand your point now. I just wanted to understand a bit better where you were coming from. In popular culture it seems to be acceptable to use the personage or life teachings of Jesus as a reference point for everything from blatant hypocrisy to the debate over the health benefits of pea soup. He exists both within and outside the dark pools of human frailty and presupposition. A true man of sorrows...

 
Jesus is in my cheeseburger... no wait, that's Elvis. Carry on.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 7:19am

 Kaw wrote:

I just liked the mental image of people that had to choose between 2 enemies and choose the one they hated the least.

 
Maybe it's the perspective that's askew; the thoughts, the language, the projections... Maybe people need courage rather than frustration, brotherhood rather than self righteousness, humility rather than victimization...Think?
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 7:03am

 Kaw wrote:

It was meant as a joke, made by an orthodox christian that knows about the apples and the oranges in the comparison.
Jesus was innocent. I wouldn't call Trump innocent.
Barabbas was conficted for (at least) manslaughter. Hillary most probably not manslaughtered or killed anyone.

I just liked the mental image of people that had to choose between 2 enemies and choose the one they hated the least.

 
Ah, ok. I understand your point now. I just wanted to understand a bit better where you were coming from. In popular culture it seems to be acceptable to use the personage or life teachings of Jesus as a reference point for everything from blatant hypocrisy to the debate over the health benefits of pea soup. He exists both within and outside the dark pools of human frailty and presupposition. A true man of sorrows...


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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 6:50am

 oldviolin wrote:

More of a reader and member of the peanut gallery in all of this, but I digress...I'm not sure whether this is satire or just old fashioned irony or that I'm not too sure of what you mean; but Barabbas was a murderer, pardoned so that an innocent man could be more conveniently murdered. Barabbas wasn't crucified with Jesus. He was allowed to wear his insurrection like a crown for the benefit of the deceived throngs. Literally bread and circuses, and I haven't even mentioned Trump and Hillary...or have I?

 
It was meant as a joke, made by an orthodox christian that knows about the apples and the oranges in the comparison.
Jesus was innocent. I wouldn't call Trump innocent.
Barabbas was conficted for (at least) manslaughter. Hillary most probably not manslaughtered or killed anyone.

I just liked the mental image of people that had to choose between 2 enemies and choose the one they hated the least.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 6:34am

 Kaw wrote:

Well, Jesus and Donald have something in common. Jesus had Barabbas. Trump has Hillary. They both get crucified anyway.

 
More of a reader and member of the peanut gallery in all of this, but I digress...I'm not sure whether this is satire or just old fashioned irony or that I'm not too sure of what you mean; but Barabbas was a murderer, pardoned so that an innocent man could be more conveniently murdered. Barabbas wasn't crucified with Jesus. He was allowed to wear his insurrection like a crown for the benefit of the deceived throngs. Literally bread and circuses, and I haven't even mentioned Trump and Hillary...or have I?


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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 3:20am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I decided to go get some wrong, just to see... "You got 20% correct. You can’t tell Donald Trump and Jesus apart. That's a little terrifying. Please don't vote."

 
Well, Jesus and Donald have something in common. Jesus had Barabbas. Trump has Hillary. They both get crucified anyway.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2016 - 3:11am

 Kaw wrote:

You got 100% correct. You can tell Donald Trump and Jesus apart. That's reassuring, because they are nothing alike.
Pfew...

 
I decided to go get some wrong, just to see... "You got 20% correct. You can’t tell Donald Trump and Jesus apart. That's a little terrifying. Please don't vote."
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