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Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
Mister Khrushchev said, 'We will bury you'
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It'd be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too
How can I save my little boy
From Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
There is no monopoly of common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too
There is no historical precedent to put
The words in the mouth of the president
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Mister Reagan says 'We will protect you'
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me and you
Is if the Russians love their children too
Sting removed a line from this 1985 song:
"Mister Reagan says "We will protect you", I don't subscribe to this point of view (etc.)".
At the time, I took that line for Stinng stating that he was *also* questioning the government of the United States who was claiming that every citizen of the western world was safe. A government that, maybe, was also implying that it was in no way to be blamed for the state of things at the time.
I admired Sting for being so bold as to encourage his audience to keep an open mind.
Was I just projecting things into Sting's lyrics? That may very well be.
Whatever were his views back then: I am NOT saying Putin is "RIGHT" - how, on earth, is being "anti" or "pro" war even a thing? It's insulting to bei labeled as "pro-Putin" and "anti-American" for asking questions. It's insulting to have to be justifying oneself for trying to know more.
I am saying that there is a lot more to Putin invading Ukraine than is claimed by the way too obvious and short version related everywhere.
The Russian's actions in Ukraine are horrible. Unspeakable. No "but".
Meanwhile, something is left unsaid: in 2015, the European Union, the United States and Putin's Russia have signed the "Minsk" agreement. See wikipedia or any other source about them.
By hinting at incorporating Ukraine into the European Union, something the EU and the USA agreed NOT to do, they have been antagonizing and provoking Putin for years.
You respect a treaty you have signed, even with the worst partner there is, as long as said partner does not violate that treaty himself. History is about compromise. You would say of your enemy not being true to his word that he is a traitor and that you were right not to trust him. If he was letting you know that he was about to act preemptively, thinking you'll be the first to violate the treaty you both agreed to - you'd find that unacceptable.
Putin is committing a massacre, destroying a country and annihilating its population.
You want to, you need to, there is no question that you will denounce his inhumane action.
Can you do so while "forgetting" to mention the whole story? Isn't that kind of denying responsibility? Isn't *exclusively* focusing on your enemy's wrongdoings an easy way to hide whatever part your own wrongdoings might have been playing in a given situation?
The People of Europe and America have the right and the duty to ask for the long, the multi-layered version, not the short and oversimplified one.
If we don't look at the whole picture, history is bound to repeat itself.
Bound to *keep* repeating itself.
Asking for more information about a war has absolutely nothing to do with legitimating it.
Dang!... those Russian troll bots are everywhere.
I started singing this again before this senseless violence and invasion of Ukraine. Fuck Russia back into the stone age for what they have done. We support Ukraine here in Berlin!
No. Not fuck Russia. Fuck Putin.
Sting removed a line from this 1985 song:
"Mister Reagan says "We will protect you", I don't subscribe to this point of view (etc.)".
At the time, I took that line for Stinng stating that he was *also* questioning the government of the United States who was claiming that every citizen of the western world was safe. A government that, maybe, was also implying that it was in no way to be blamed for the state of things at the time.
I admired Sting for being so bold as to encourage his audience to keep an open mind.
Was I just projecting things into Sting's lyrics? That may very well be.
Whatever were his views back then: I am NOT saying Putin is "RIGHT" - how, on earth, is being "anti" or "pro" war even a thing? It's insulting to bei labeled as "pro-Putin" and "anti-American" for asking questions. It's insulting to have to be justifying oneself for trying to know more.
I am saying that there is a lot more to Putin invading Ukraine than is claimed by the way too obvious and short version related everywhere.
The Russian's actions in Ukraine are horrible. Unspeakable. No "but".
Meanwhile, something is left unsaid: in 2015, the European Union, the United States and Putin's Russia have signed the "Minsk" agreement. See wikipedia or any other source about them.
By hinting at incorporating Ukraine into the European Union, something the EU and the USA agreed NOT to do, they have been antagonizing and provoking Putin for years.
You respect a treaty you have signed, even with the worst partner there is, as long as said partner does not violate that treaty himself. History is about compromise. You would say of your enemy not being true to his word that he is a traitor and that you were right not to trust him. If he was letting you know that he was about to act preemptively, thinking you'll be the first to violate the treaty you both agreed to - you'd find that unacceptable.
Putin is committing a massacre, destroying a country and annihilating its population.
You want to, you need to, there is no question that you will denounce his inhumane action.
Can you do so while "forgetting" to mention the whole story? Isn't that kind of denying responsibility? Isn't *exclusively* focusing on your enemy's wrongdoings an easy way to hide whatever part your own wrongdoings might have been playing in a given situation?
The People of Europe and America have the right and the duty to ask for the long, the multi-layered version, not the short and oversimplified one.
If we don't look at the whole picture, history is bound to repeat itself.
Bound to *keep* repeating itself.
Asking for more information about a war has absolutely nothing to do with legitimating it.
Let's not forget the agreement between the US, EU and Russia agreed to in the 90's. That now null agreement was that Ukraine surrender the atomic weapons that the Soviet Union installed in Ukraine and that Russia would dispose of them and the West would guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine.
It's so sad that most people don't understand what's actually happening,and they don't know that they're being kept from knowing what's actually happening.
It feels as reassuring as it is possible these days to read your words.
And there seems to be no way to avoid things getting much worse before they can get better.
Best wishes from wherever I am, to you, wherever you are.
Weird, he doesn't sing the part "Mister Reagan says 'We will protect you'" present in the lyrics.
It's so reassuring you spotted this.
I hadn't seen your post when I left mine - a very long attempt to point at the possible reason for this omisson.
"Mister Reagan says "We will protect you", I don't subscribe to this point of view (etc.)".
At the time, I took that line for Stinng stating that he was *also* questioning the government of the United States who was claiming that every citizen of the western world was safe. A government that, maybe, was also implying that it was in no way to be blamed for the state of things at the time.
I admired Sting for being so bold as to encourage his audience to keep an open mind.
Was I just projecting things into Sting's lyrics? That may very well be.
Whatever were his views back then: I am NOT saying Putin is "RIGHT" - how, on earth, is being "anti" or "pro" war even a thing? It's insulting to bei labeled as "pro-Putin" and "anti-American" for asking questions. It's insulting to have to be justifying oneself for trying to know more.
I am saying that there is a lot more to Putin invading Ukraine than is claimed by the way too obvious and short version related everywhere.
The Russian's actions in Ukraine are horrible. Unspeakable. No "but".
Meanwhile, something is left unsaid: in 2015, the European Union, the United States and Putin's Russia have signed the "Minsk" agreement. See wikipedia or any other source about them.
By hinting at incorporating Ukraine into the European Union, something the EU and the USA agreed NOT to do, they have been antagonizing and provoking Putin for years.
You respect a treaty you have signed, even with the worst partner there is, as long as said partner does not violate that treaty himself. History is about compromise. You would say of your enemy not being true to his word that he is a traitor and that you were right not to trust him. If he was letting you know that he was about to act preemptively, thinking you'll be the first to violate the treaty you both agreed to - you'd find that unacceptable.
Putin is committing a massacre, destroying a country and annihilating its population.
You want to, you need to, there is no question that you will denounce his inhumane action.
Can you do so while "forgetting" to mention the whole story? Isn't that kind of denying responsibility? Isn't *exclusively* focusing on your enemy's wrongdoings an easy way to hide whatever part your own wrongdoings might have been playing in a given situation?
The People of Europe and America have the right and the duty to ask for the long, the multi-layered version, not the short and oversimplified one.
If we don't look at the whole picture, history is bound to repeat itself.
Bound to *keep* repeating itself.
Asking for more information about a war has absolutely nothing to do with legitimating it.
Exactly. It's time for USA to pay the price, for all atrocities it did to the world. From Korea to Syria. Enjoy living in your bubble until it bursts.
We know where you stand. Did you vote for Vucic though he's moving away from Russia and buying French Rafale fighter jets?
Such an excellent song.
Such a horrible problem.
The intro says it all.
c.
agreed! RP and BillG help us all deal with this crazy world.
Exactly. It's time for USA to pay the price, for all atrocities it did to the world. From Korea to Syria. Enjoy living in your bubble until it bursts.
What an astonishingly pathetic reaction to genocide. What does your family think about this casual attitude towards killing innocents? Friends? I'm sorry for your approach to the world. Fortunately, most HUMANS don't gloat like this.
Exactly. It's time for USA to pay the price, for all atrocities it did to the world. From Korea to Syria. Enjoy living in your bubble until it bursts.
I don't see where anyone here is trying to excuse the multiple errors, overstepping, and, yes, atrocities, committed by various U.S. administrations over the last 250 years -- but how, exactly, can it be that murdering Ukrainians is what the USA deserves? How do the atrocities and displacement currently occurring in Ukraine -- and the continued oppression in Russia -- balance out as being fair because the USA must "pay the price"?
It's one thing to voice opposition to the ills and wrongs committed by any and all; it's quite another to revel in this horror based on some bizarre, bastardized form of logic or a blindly confused Putin worship. Where exactly is your head (besides far up the alimentary canal)?
Слава Україні!
I have used the line "I hope the Russians love their children, too." when discussing such topics.
Thank you BillG for playing this very current song, sad it needs to be sung again, but so it goes with the human race.
EDIT
And yes: thank you Sting.
This is a deeply troubling situation and is what happens when someone gets too much power.
Exactly. It's time for USA to pay the price, for all atrocities it did to the world. From Korea to Syria. Enjoy living in your bubble until it bursts.
Thank you, Sting.
Thank you, Bill.
Thank you Radio Paradise.
Sad that it is again relevant.
#standwithukraine
"Such an ignorant thing to do..."
Very sad that this is relevant again. But nice choice, Bill and Rebecca.
Sadly true, but it would be really a strong sign to write new lyrics reflecting the current situation...