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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 1:22pm

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yeah, precisely. so what is it that drives this collective myopia? Do they just want a "simple" solution cause they can't be bothered to think in terms of a matrix of conflicting interests, so they buy into the propaganda? Or are they just stupid?


Yes.  

Frankly, it is a bit of a mystery. Common elements seem to include a disaffected portion of the population that has developed a profound distrust of their government and believe they are being cheated out of their rightful place in the societal hierarchy and concomitantly being deprived of their just deserts. They long for some version of the good ol’ days.


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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 12:41pm

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It is rather inexplicable, yet it repeats itself.

The appeal of propaganda knows no bounds. For some.



yeah, precisely. so what is it that drives this collective myopia? Do they just want a "simple" solution cause they can't be bothered to think in terms of a matrix of conflicting interests, so they buy into the propaganda? Or are they just stupid?
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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 12:27pm

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and, get this, the ringleader is a prince, who wants to reinstate a monarchy. They claim the current democracy is illegitimate as it was installed by coercion (aka losing a war you started), which they intend to rectify by, have a guess, exercising coercion. 

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It is rather inexplicable, yet it repeats itself.

The appeal of propaganda knows no bounds. For some.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 12:22pm

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Prosecutors said the suspects also believe Germany is ruled by a so-called “deep state.”

Just another tale of patriots trying to Drain the Swamp.


and, get this, the ringleader is a prince, who wants to reinstate a monarchy. They claim the current democracy is illegitimate as it was installed by coercion (aka losing a war you started), which they intend to rectify by, have a guess, exercising coercion. 


The parallels to all the other proto-fascists worldwide are glaring (point of reference: one of the German-based pro-Russian trolls here once told me in a backchat he thought a monarchy would be a much better idea than the current democracy). He's obviously not alone. Trump is obviously gunning for something similar in the States. Ergo so are all his supporters, who still support him despite all the evidence of his anti-democratic tendencies. Then you also have guys like Musk and Thiel and the clique of mega-rich silicon valley libertarians who believe that democracy is destined to fail, so seem quite content to help along the process by buying out social media platforms, for instance. Add to them the nationalist leaders like Orban, Putin, etc. and their supporters, who try to lead by whipping up xenophobic sentiment and fanning fear of minorities like gays, muslims and trans-gender individual,  all the while sabotaging genuine political solutions such as the EU, etc... the list goes on.

I mean, what do these guys think they are plugging for? Some kind of über-efficient German Nazi machine where everyone is running around with plaits in their hair and sporting ruddy complexions, eating copious wurst and sauerkraut and all dissension and social problems will have been conveniently "nullified"? I mean, REALLY? It wasn't even like that in Nazi Germany, which is about as close as you are ever going to get between the will of the people and the will of the Führer. There isn't a single country today that comes even close to the historical conditions that led to the rise of Nazi Germany. So, even under their own pitiful terms, any exercise in fascism is doomed to failure. Even if they did manage to take power, they'll be ripping off each other's heads at short notice. 

No, at best what you are going to get is something like North Korea, Iran or the Soviet Union, without the benefit of high oil exports and flashy western goods to keep things afloat. It's going to be kleptocracy, rule-by-fear and totalitarianism and its going to be totally inefficient, gloomy as hell and dire.
And that's what it's going to be like if you are on the right side of the powers that be. For the rest, it's going to be sheer hell. 

And at worst, it's just going to be sheer hell for everyone.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 11:40am

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Prosecutors said the suspects also believe Germany is ruled by a so-called “deep state.”

Just another tale of patriots trying to Drain the Swamp.

MGGA!

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Posted: Dec 7, 2022 - 11:09am

Suspected German coup plot spawns dozens of arrests
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Posted: Sep 16, 2022 - 11:31am

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Things that make me ponder: "The snails were handed to an animal rescue service in Duesseldorf" What do you do with a rescued snail? 
 
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Posted: Sep 16, 2022 - 10:40am

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Things that make me ponder:

"The snails were handed to an animal rescue service in Duesseldorf"

What do you do with a rescued snail? 
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Posted: Sep 16, 2022 - 8:19am

Trail of slime leads German customs to bags of giant snails
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Posted: Jun 24, 2022 - 2:38pm

Germany raises national energy alert over Russia’s ‘economic attack’
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Posted: Mar 29, 2022 - 7:38am

If you think a$$holes like Putin let pious speeches stop them from invading other countries then dream on.
I DID vote them.

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Posted: Mar 21, 2022 - 1:29pm

Headline of the decade: Germany is building what's expected to become Europe's largest military. Perhaps decade is still too little. Of the century.

And it happens while I was eligible to vote. I am ashamed of my country.

After all, I've always been thinking that the Red-Greens were already responsible for the Kosovo war, the first war of aggression in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany that violated international law and the constitution.

So who else, if not them.

I did NOT vote for them.

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Posted: Jan 27, 2022 - 8:38am

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Should NATO send troops?

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Posted: Jan 27, 2022 - 6:59am

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Posted: Jan 23, 2022 - 11:24pm

I agree with Herr Schönbach, Admiral of the German Navy.

The whole relationship with Russia has been a lost opportunity.  Hemming Russia in with NATO membership is a huge act of disrespect.  And frankly, quite unnecessary for the security of these countries.  Will the gains to the USA in the form of increased weapons exports and agricultural export surpass the costs and the risk of blow back?

The relationship with the Ukraine has been gaffe-ridden from the beginning.   Bringing the Ukraine closer to Europe and moving in the direction of a European political and economic model could have been done without alienating Russia. 

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Posted: Jan 18, 2022 - 12:33pm

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If we Germans buy natural gas in Russia and then use it to heat here, then the CO2 emissions count on Germany's account.

If we tell the Russians we only buy hydrogen, they then burn their natural gas themselves and use it to make hydrogen, give it to us and we heat with it, then the CO2 emissions are in Russia and we have achieved our climate goals!

Yes, no shit. That's the background. We are sitting here on the Titanic, everyone is aware that the ship is sinking, and they are now doing a bit of emissions cosmetics so that at the end of their already foreseeable failed term in office they can say that they have reduced our emissions.
 
I actually agree with you here. Though it must also be seen as a first step towards truly green gases. Eine sub-optimale Lösung by all means but maybe a step towards a better result down the road. Nevertheless, it's hard to escape the feeling of too little too late.
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Posted: Dec 15, 2021 - 1:11pm

German police move against an alleged murder plot by anti-vaccination extremists
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Posted: Dec 8, 2021 - 5:56am

Scholz replaces Merkel as German chancellor, opening new era
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 10:21am

Promise Me You’ll Shoot Yourself: The Downfall of Ordinary Germans in 1945 by Florian Huber – review
The story of the mass suicides in Germany as Hitler lost the war is told in vivid detail
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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 - 10:00am

Re-print of Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' takes Germany by storm
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